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spornybolspornybol
edited October 2011 in Area 51
with a vailed moan lol, why can i not win with my over pair to underpair lately, yet when i get underpair to their over pair holds ???? if if i`m not this sample below is now my 9th in a row i`v lost to underpair
BlindR0N Small blind  150.00 150.00 3035.00
spornybol Big blind  300.00 450.00 2475.83
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
   
LymboPD Fold     
CUSH09 Call  300.00 750.00 2694.99
BlindR0N Fold     
spornybol Raise  900.00 1650.00 1575.83
CUSH09 Call  900.00 2550.00 1794.99
Flop
  
  • 2
  • 5
  • 2
   
spornybol Check     
CUSH09 Check     
Turn
  
  • 4
   
spornybol All-in  1575.83 4125.83 0.00
CUSH09 All-in  1794.99 5920.82 0.00
CUSH09 Unmatched bet  219.16 5701.66 219.16
spornybol Show
  • A
  • A
   
CUSH09 Show
  • 5
  • 5
   
River
  
  • 10
   
CUSH09 Win Full House, 5s and 2s 5701.66  5920.82
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    If you've got winning or probable winning hole cards, then every round you let more cards hit the board you're allowing your advantage to be watered down - you give others with marginal hands the opportunity to improve them to a point where they've overtaken yours. I'm sure I'm stating the bl@@ding obvious. I think if you're going to shove, do it pre-flop, else don't commit all your chips to a game where someone may have made a set, two pair, four to a straight or flush yada yada, especially if you're first to play.

    The odds of someone hitting a pair is 1/17 (16-1) and the odds of a setting card hitting the flop is around 6/50 (c7-1).  So the coincidence is around 6/850 or around 1/142 (141-1). It doesn't happen that often, so I think in the future it's safe to assume that someone won't have made the set - raising/bluffing aside of course. It becomes a risk/return consideration, not just about what cards you're holding?

    Oh, and if you're regularly playing against oppos who will call a huge raise (relative to the stack size) pre-flop with 40% of their own stack on a pair of fives, you shouldn't worry about it. He flew a kite and got lucky.
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  • davelufcdavelufc
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: a question?:
    If you've got winning or probable winning hole cards, then every round you let more cards hit the board you're allowing your advantage to be watered down - you give others with marginal hands the opportunity to improve them to a point where they've overtaken yours. I'm sure I'm stating the bl@@ding obvious. I think if you're going to shove, do it pre-flop, else don't commit all your chips to a game where someone may have made a set, two pair, four to a straight or flush yada yada, especially if you're first to play. The odds of someone hitting a pair is 1/17 (16-1) and the odds of a setting card hitting the flop is around 6/50 (c7-1).  So the coincidence is around 6/850 or around 1/142 (141-1). It doesn't happen that often, so I think in the future it's safe to assume that someone won't have made the set - raising/bluffing aside of course. It becomes a risk/return consideration, not just about what cards you're holding? Oh, and if you're regularly playing against oppos who will call a huge raise (relative to the stack size) pre-flop with 40% of their own stack on a pair of fives, you shouldn't worry about it. He flew a kite and got lucky.
    Posted by Goethe


    I hear what your saying pal but it doesn`t always apply!!

    This was from a £10 BH last night, 200+ players entered and i`m a few places off the bubble and short stacked.


    Spornybol, i feel your pain brother!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    paperboy25 Small blind  1000.00 1000.00 33174.00
    davelufc Big blind  2000.00 3000.00 7422.38
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    olliepokr1 Fold     
    hfdbull29 Raise  8000.00 11000.00 45097.96
    great Fold     
    unbpower Fold     
    paperboy25 Fold     
    davelufc All-in  7422.38 18422.38 0.00
    hfdbull29 Call  1422.38 19844.76 43675.58
    davelufc Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    hfdbull29 Show
    • 9
    • 9
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • Q
    • 10
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    River
       
    • 7
    		     
    hfdbull29 Win Three 9s 19844.76  63520.34
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    Over pair to an underpair All-In pre-flop. You know what the odds are. Play it everytime.
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    Hi mr Sky boss man sir, I just wondered if there is any way at all that you could block spornybols access to his hand history, thanks
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  • davelufcdavelufc
    edited October 2011

    Not meant to win owt lol

    £10 bh, they are up there ......

    layerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    McFoldem Small blind  100.00 100.00 1050.00
    GELDY Big blind  200.00 300.00 3150.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    davelufc Call  200.00 500.00 1755.00
    LULU2ACES Fold     
    chippy61 Fold     
    albaking Call  200.00 700.00 5570.00
    McFoldem Fold     
    GELDY Check     
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 5
    • J
    		     
    GELDY Check     
    davelufc Bet  600.00 1300.00 1155.00
    albaking Call  600.00 1900.00 4970.00
    GELDY Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    davelufc All-in  1155.00 3055.00 0.00
    albaking Call  1155.00 4210.00 3815.00
    davelufc Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    albaking Show
    • J
    • 10
    		   
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    albaking Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s 4210.00  8025.00
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited October 2011
    Play A's 100 times.  Record your profit and loss margins when limping.

    Dont limp with A's. 

    Good players wont get involved with the hands that you want them to get involved with.
    Bad players will stay in with the hands you cant see and crush you.

    Go for value vs a strong hand, not roulette vs umpteen random ones.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    Quite. As Mr Fraser said when he was a guest commentator on the Sky Channel one evening - "if you've got a monster, get it in early and get paid out". 'nuff said.
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  • davelufcdavelufc
    edited October 2011
    @ AMYBR & Goethe

    Many thanks for replies, I dont normally limp with AA (example further up thread ) but on this occasion i thought i`d give it a whirl and got done on the river.

    I`m sure you are both right, when you do limp and the flop comes down, you automatically think you have run into a set or 2 pair etc.

    The shove pre is the correct play, Again, thanks for the advice.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: a question?:
    Quite. As Mr Fraser said when he was a guest commentator on the Sky Channel one evening - "if you've got a monster, get it in early and get paid out". 'nuff said.
    Posted by Goethe
    Took the advice and did exactly that last night, but didn't get paid out. Two exits from DYM games (on the bubble) on the trot. Definitely something dodgy here . . . .

    Oh, and prior to these the main damage was done by oppos hitting sets on the flop calling in with tiny pocket pairs. They flew kites and got lucky,
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