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DYM - Should I know I'm beat here?
What do you guys think of this? I know you may say fold pre, but I know everyone else has tightened up with the stacks in this position and with a min-raise I reckon this is definitely working 2/3 times which makes it profitable as long as I let go to a raise or non-monster flop if they call.
Putting pre flop aside, do you think I'm 100% beat here? To be honest, I didnt want the flush to come on the river cos I basically I had the nuts short of flopped quads or the FH, but when it came, could I fold my Jhigh flush.
Now I've had more than 15 seconds to think about it (one of the things I hate about online poker but oh well) I think I can fold here and find a better spot...
Also, I was very shocked to see a Q high flush there, I thought it was nut flush or not at all.
Putting pre flop aside, do you think I'm 100% beat here? To be honest, I didnt want the flush to come on the river cos I basically I had the nuts short of flopped quads or the FH, but when it came, could I fold my Jhigh flush.
Now I've had more than 15 seconds to think about it (one of the things I hate about online poker but oh well) I think I can fold here and find a better spot...
Also, I was very shocked to see a Q high flush there, I thought it was nut flush or not at all.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| jimifloyd | Small blind | 75.00 | 75.00 | 2822.50 | |
| adam1967 | Big blind | 150.00 | 225.00 | 3805.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Lambert180 | Raise | 300.00 | 525.00 | 2662.50 | |
| STRIPYHORS | Call | 300.00 | 825.00 | 1885.00 | |
| jimifloyd | Fold | ||||
| adam1967 | Call | 150.00 | 975.00 | 3655.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| adam1967 | Check | ||||
| Lambert180 | Check | ||||
| STRIPYHORS | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| adam1967 | Check | ||||
| Lambert180 | Bet | 400.00 | 1375.00 | 2262.50 | |
| STRIPYHORS | Fold | ||||
| adam1967 | Call | 400.00 | 1775.00 | 3255.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| adam1967 | All-in | 3255.00 | 5030.00 | 0.00 | |
| Lambert180 | All-in | 2262.50 | 7292.50 | 0.00 | |
| adam1967 | Unmatched bet | 992.50 | 6300.00 | 992.50 | |
| adam1967 | Show |
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| Lambert180 | Show |
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| adam1967 | Win | Flush to the Queen | 6300.00 | 7292.50 | |
Comments
Being a giant nit I probably fold this but not sure if that's correct, main reason for fold though is so much passiveity up till this point then they suddenly want their whole stack in da middle so bluff or decent hand.
But about the river... ummmmm tough spot, you do have a decent stack and it's a strange overbet shove... It's one of those situations where i'd probably end up crying in the corner than calling and making a note.
Personally, I don't think that's a stealing spot in the first place. You're very comfortable in chips on the bubble in level 5. Secondly, I wouldn't min raise, especially from under the gun, I'd prefer to make it bigger. In the OP you say that you definately see this play working 2/3 times. Well it might be worth re-examining that tbh, maybe there were some clues previously in the game that that figure is incorrect. After all, you get cold-called on the button (maybe not your fault, we don't know what he had) but you get called in the BB with Q4s!!!
On the flop, I think it's a c-bet 100% of the time here. You're the pre-flop aggressor, you've seen one check and you've flopped an uadsd + 2 overcards, I don't know what else we could wish for here really. It's also a great spot to c-bet because of the pot size and your stack size. Your stack is big enough that you can c-bet 5-600 and comfortably give up to resistance. The pot is big enough that your 1/2 pot c-bet will be scary enough to give you a 'true' measure of where you are in the hand. No-one is floating or otherwise messing around when the pot gets that big in relation to stacks. Obviously if you're raised on the flop you go away. If you're flatted you can comfortably shove your stack in (less than a pot-sized bet) when you hit the nut straight on the turn.
I also prefer a bigger bet on the turn but can't really fault your thinking too much. You are quite entitled to think you've got the virtual nuts with redraws to the virtual nuts too.
So no, I can't ever fold that on the river. I do think there are a couple of things worth looking at earlier in the hand, though.
Hope that helps a bit mate.
Its a sigh fold on river for me though
If he calls a 3/4 pot bet on turn and leads out with shove on river it's safe to say he has a strong flush, or at least a flush. Granted you'd be left with 1500 chips but that's stil 10BB and a busted player can't cash
He didn't call a 3/4 pot bet on the turn, 400 of 975 is less than 1/2 pot. He may very well have a flush but the point is, does he have better than my Jhigh flush. I found it hard to believe that someone bets like this with the nut flush or even Khigh flush because they're gonna either lose to a FH/quads or lose value by making worse hands fold.
EDIT: I'll get you back for stealing my UKOPS satellite seat lol.
Still waiting on the cash mind. Was thinking of entering Primo, if I bink a cash I'll give half to Carlo's charity given it was easy money