On a cooler did I play this AK correct

waynec

Im on a cooler at the moment getting my chips in when I am ahead but lady luck has fallen out with me, the first 2 hand are an example of my luck so no  need to comment on these, the KK v QQ plays its self he hit the Q, the JJ I had reads and notes on the other player and new he was drawing or bluffing.

The AK again I was happy the original raising was doing it light and the caller stank of a PP should I have jammed or flat called..... to be honest I dont like calling with AK prefer to fold or ship. Your views on this please?

This was always a big pot

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mrparish82	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£62.64
waynec	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£43.85
	Your hole cards	K K
Liberachi7	Fold
EARLYBIRD1	Raise		£1.20	£1.65	£29.42
arthur1965	Call		£1.20	£2.85	£107.68
mrparish82	Fold
waynec	Raise		£4.50	£7.35	£39.35
EARLYBIRD1	All-in		£29.42	£36.77	£0.00
arthur1965	Fold
waynec	All-in		£39.35	£76.12	£0.00
waynec	Unmatched bet		£13.53	£62.59	£13.53
waynec	Show	K K
EARLYBIRD1	Show	Q Q
Flop
		5 10 Q
Turn
		J
River
		8
EARLYBIRD1	Win	Three Queens	£60.79		£60.79

Had notes and was 95% sure I was ahead

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
wobblylegs	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£45.24
unbpower	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£57.15
	Your hole cards	J J
chinooka21	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£14.03
SanqBeliq	Fold
waynec	Raise		£1.20	£1.95	£28.35
tariii12	Fold
wobblylegs	Fold
unbpower	Fold
chinooka21	Call		£0.90	£2.85	£13.13
Flop
		5 10 3</sp

PiAnOpLaYa

hand 3 is a weird one the rest are pretty standard and you just got UL.

Where u tilting in Hand 3? Pushing after a standard 3x raise is a little weird. any reason you didnt put in a standard 3bet?

waynec

No I was not tilting the shove was because one of the players would have called my 3 bet not seen him fold to a 3bet during the session, I dont like AK 3 ways and calling with 99 is suspect imo to that action so I think had it been a more experienced player I would have taken it down pre flop imo! Anyway I am open to suggestions of others on how I should have played it, I had no reads on the caller had I known he is likely to gamble with a med PP I doubt I would have shoved.... but I did not have this info!

PiAnOpLaYa

In Response to Re: On a cooler did I play this AK correct:

No I was not tilting the shove was because one of the players would have called my 3 bet not seen him fold to a 3bet during the session, I dont like AK 3 ways and calling with 99 is suspect imo to that action so I think had it been a more experienced player I would have taken it down pre flop imo! Anyway I am open to suggestions of others on how I should have played it, I had no reads on the caller had I known he is likely to gamble with a med PP I doubt I would have shoved.... but I did not have this info!
Posted by waynec

Phil is a very experienced and good player.

You have to ask yourself would you have done the same with AA />1010?

When you make the huge 3 bet it just screams AK to me!

pod1

agree with pineapple, phil is a very very good player ,(nl100 +) and i think he saw this hand for exactly what you had ak. ps i know it aint pineapple, but every time i see your name come up thats what i see lol

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: On a cooler did I play this AK correct:

agree with pineapple, phil is a very very good player ,(nl100 +) and i think he saw this hand for exactly what you had ak. ps i know it aint pineapple, but every time i see your name come up thats what i see lol
Posted by pod1

Same i know its Piano Playa but still pineapple ftw

As been said Phil12UK is a top player and a winner, dont see how shoving over a standard bet can ever be good and he obviously knew you had AK although still bit loose for him  im suprised he called given his nittiness

rancid

lol @ Pineapple

AK squeeze shove, it is what it is , finks just a 3 bet raise would be better

grantorino

if one guy always calls 3bets why shove to make him fold?

Wilhelm

I hate the shove.  You said that you were sure the other guy would call the 3-bet.  I would welcome that situation with AK.

AMYBR

Yeah shove makes no sense to me either.  We are basically taking away the whole skill element and basically saying lets flip for it, plus we push out all worse hands.  For what we pick up when they fold its a needless gamble.

waynec

Thanks all I think I have to accept that the shove was wrong, many thanks for the replies.

Bobsicool3

hand 3 is a standard flip, 2 overcards vs a pair. 50/50. sometimes u'll win and sometimes u lose.

dont see ne point in flatting as if an ace or king comes you prob wont get paid off. and if u miss the flop you've given away chips pre.

bolly580

raise to 3 quid, c bet flop, give up to persistant calling....

Batkin88

Shoving here is telling him your and either small PP or AK your not doing this with aces or kings

TommyD

In Response to Re: On a cooler did I play this AK correct:

Shoving here is telling him your and either small PP or AK your not doing this with aces or kings
Posted by Batkin88

This

If you are overbet shoving here with AK you will have to do it was JJ-AA as well.  However that is in general massively -ev.

jugglegeek

OP, you a tournement player at heart by any chance? This is a fine move to do in the middle stages of a tournement when 25-35 BBs deep, you pick up ace king and have a raise and a call ahead of you so you ship it in. Theory goes that the caller can't have very much since he just flat called and the orrigional raiser has to worry about other players still to act in the hand. And if you get called you are in good shape against everything but aces and kings.

Thing is, in a cash game 110 BBs deep AKs is just ace high. You actually need to play some poker with it. Nothing wrong here with 3-betting about £3 and then c-betting the flop about £5.50 and then giving up. You would have still lost the hand but you lose £8.50 rather than £33.33.

Like everyone has said, you shove looks exactly like what it is; someone who doesn't know how to play AK. The call with 99 is the correct play