This one hurt!!

sinoz

CATCH-22	Small blind		30.00	30.00	8762.50
sinoz	Big blind		60.00	90.00	4755.00
	Your hole cards	A J
tyronn1947	Call		60.00	150.00	4803.75
sizzling	Fold
nobbyg1	Call		60.00	210.00	3320.00
Donald	All-in		188.75	398.75	0.00
CATCH-22	Call		158.75	557.50	8603.75
sinoz	Call		128.75	686.25	4626.25
tyronn1947	Call		128.75	815.00	4675.00
nobbyg1	Call		128.75	943.75	3191.25
Flop
		J J 5
CATCH-22	Bet		943.75	1887.50	7660.00
sinoz	Raise		1887.50	3775.00	2738.75
tyronn1947	Call		1887.50	5662.50	2787.50
nobbyg1	Fold
CATCH-22	All-in		7660.00	13322.50	0.00
sinoz	All-in		2738.75	16061.25	0.00
tyronn1947	All-in		2787.50	18848.75	0.00
CATCH-22	Unmatched bet		3928.75	14920.00	3928.75
CATCH-22	Show	J 10
sinoz	Show	A J
tyronn1947	Show	2 3
Donald	Show	K 7
Turn
		10
River
		6
CATCH-22	Win	Full House, Jacks and 10s	14920.00

AMYBR

Has to be a re raise or fold pre bud.

Everyone is priced in and someone is always going to get hurt on a wide range of boards.

Gross though bud.

sinoz

In Response to Re: This one hurt!!:

Has to be a re raise or fold pre bud. Everyone is priced in and someone is always going to get hurt on a wide range of boards. Gross though bud.
Posted by AMYBR

Thanks fella - suppose my fear was everyone would fold and i'd get little return - As it was I got no return so will remember your comments in the future. How much would you have raised pre flop?

sillymunch

normal rule of thumb is you wanna raise 3 times, + another blind for every limper, one player already raised up to 3 times, so you are looking at raising another 3 times of his raise, prety much if your cards are strong enough to call the raise then raise it up to 600 at least, then worst case scenario you get your chips back and are heads up

AMYBR

Yeah kind of go with above.

For me it comes down to:

1.  Enough for it not to be an auto call by those that are already involved
2.  Not so big that it becomes hard to manage post flop
3.  That we leave ourselves room to play poker if something unexpected happens.

I dont even hate a fold here.  Mainly because we have two limpers, then the min jammer, making a bet size really tricky.  If I were to raise it I think I may make it around 620.  But then the problem becomes if we get multiple callers were going to have a pot of around 2300 with 3900 back.

I think I may nit fold tbh or simply jam pre dependant on table dynamic.  Dont really like the jam given its 30/60 and you have 4600.  However pot is already 560, increasing your stack by 13% if you jam and win at showdown vs button jammer (Donald).  Yeah I think I jam or fold to be honest.  Any other bet is going leave a difficult pot size if you get flatted and miss.  Only really raising if we believe we have best hand pre, which I strongly suspect you do.

Yeah I think I jam looking at it again.

Dudeskin8

I actually don't mind the call pre any 3bet would gave to be around 600 chips then you get your standard two callers and have to try and bluff a K high board 3-way with half your stack already in the middle.

If anything I'd think folding would best best although rather nitty.