now what?

pod1

steelrod	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£11.72
shawsok	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£29.31
	Your hole cards	10 10
dont_fold	Fold
PERRAZI	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£41.82
pod1	Raise		£0.90	£1.65	£37.22
westslay23	Raise		£3.30	£4.95	£36.91
steelrod	Call		£3.15	£8.10	£8.57
shawsok	Fold
PERRAZI	Call		£3.00	£11.10	£38.82
pod1	Call		£2.40	£13.50	£34.82
Flop
		7 9 10
steelrod	Check
PERRAZI	Check
pod1	Bet		£6.75	£20.25	£28.07
westslay23	Call		£6.75	£27.00	£30.16
steelrod	Call		£6.75	£33.75	£1.82
PERRAZI	Call		£6.75	£40.50	£32.07
Turn
		J
steelrod	Check
PERRAZI	Check
pod1	Check
westslay23	All-in		£30.16	£70.66	£0.00
steelrod	All-in		£1.82	£72.48	£0.00
PERRAZI	Call		£30.16	£102.64	£1.91

penguin7

Tricky spot. You must be behind but do you have the odds (and the bottle !) to put your £28 in?

I think I would, but you know I dont play cash ! May not have as many outs as you may think because JJ cant be ruled out.

pod1

i need someone good at maths to work this out for me. the way i see it i got 10 outs to win and max 3 for a split and im getting 5to 1. (am i right so far?). scrub that i just put it in a poker calculator and its saying im  22% chance of winning and 2.82% of a split , worryingly it says im only getting 3.45:1. ffs i dont understand this??? help

huuuuume

snap fold

surely you realise wests in never shoving with a non nut hand here

Pysterman

You'd be paying £28 into a pot to win £130, which is about 22% so you need to win more than 22% of the time to make this a good call.

I put this situation into a poker odds calculator and it says you win about 52% of the time here.

However, the poker odds calculator will be running thousands of situations where your opponents are allocated RANDOM hands. It will NOT take into account the fact that these are hands that the opponents have been willing to stake a lot of money on. In other words, your opponents' hands cannot be considered completely random now since you have extra information. So, given the situation and the betting, there is a much greater chance you are behind here.

Assuming you are behind, you have at most 10 outs, giving you a 22% of winning, making this a borderline call. However, as has been pointed out, you may well have less outs, if anyone else holds set for example.

Of course, you may still actually be ahead here (though it looks unlikely) but up against 3 hands there would be plenty for your opponents to catch to beat you on the river (e.g. if someone holds a higher pocket pair).

So... all things considered.. I would say this is a borderline call AT BEST. I would fold here (assuming I could work all that out in 15 seconds!).

pod1

i agree its the time thing pysterman. huuume, i got westy on the 8 ob so i know im behind. , in all honesty had i jammed the flop it woulda took this problem away, dont know why i didnt. should i of jammed it and if i did was i jamming to protect ? god the more i look at this hand the more i hate it!

Pysterman

On such a wet flop against 3 hands I think I shove to protect.

(Though, to be honest, in a 4-way pot, there would still be a good chance of everyone calling, especially if the first player calls.)

huuuuume

dont forget to take into account how many blockers your opponents could have.  there could be a lot of 89 type hands that take away your paired board outs.

its played fine imo...shoving flop is no good as you want action on all safe turn cards

davelufc

Just jam fella and  wait for a 7 or 9 or j on river lol.

Hope you won hand.

ps. I`m a gambler!!!

Batkin88

as hit turn it's a fold, can westlay hold the 8 with the raise pre??? more likely AJ diamonds JJ or QQ you prob have all the outs you assume but still a very borderline call but with the call from Perrazi i would fold as i would put him on the 8 or more like 88

pod1

folded in the end, just couldnt call the all in "knowing" i was behind with 1 to come. dumb a r ss river card as well lol!!

steelrod	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£11.72
shawsok	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£29.31
	Your hole cards	10 10
dont_fold	Fold
PERRAZI	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£41.82
pod1	Raise		£0.90	£1.65	£37.22
westslay23	Raise		£3.30	£4.95	£36.91
steelrod	Call		£3.15	£8.10	£8.57
shawsok	Fold
PERRAZI	Call		£3.00	£11.10	£38.82
pod1	Call		£2.40	£13.50	£34.82
Flop
		7 9 10
steelrod	Check
PERRAZI	Check
pod1	Bet		£6.75	£20.25	£28.07
westslay23	Call		£6.75	£27.00	£30.16
steelrod	Call		£6.75	£33.75	£1.82
PERRAZI	Call		£6.75	£40.50	£32.07
Turn
		J
steelrod	Check
PERRAZI	Check
pod1	Check
westslay23	All-in		£30.16	£70.66	£0.00
steelrod	All-in		£1.82	£72.48	£0.00
PERRAZI	Call		£30.16	£102.64	£1.91
pod1	Fold
steelrod	Show	6 6
PERRAZI	Show	J 10
westslay23	Show	9 8
River
		8
steelrod	Win	Straight to the Jack	£15.06		£15.06
PERRAZI	Win	Straight to the Jack	£42.89		£44.80
westslay23	Win	Straight to the Jack	£42.89		£42.89

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Dudeskin8

I think I prefer check raising flop especially after that pretty large 3bet pre, this allows you to get it in on flop when your a fave.

As played have to fold.