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Ok i was playing the 50p/£1 tables and my luck has been horendous over the last few days, ive been set up with hands such as q-q vs k-k and j-j vs q-q.
im UTG+1 with pocket Q's and raise to £5
the guy on the button raises to £15
BB calls,
now im slightly cautious here because i dont want to be set up again but i peel a flop.
Flop comes 6-J-J rainbow
BB checks,
i bet £15 into the pot of around £45 to try and get an idea for where i am.
The re-raiser pre-flop goes allin for about £70
then the BB goes allin for around the same amount.
What do i do!? ive been very unlucky and surely i am beat with 2 players going allin, one of them either has an overpair in which im extremely unlucky or they have made a speculative move with A-J K-J and flopped a monster.
in the end i fold, the cards remain face down and the remaining cards are turned over
Turn - 9
River - K
The guy on the button shows 10-10
the guy in the BB mucks
button wins the hand with 2 pairs 10's and J's
should i have gone allin with q-q baring in mind my luck and the fact that 2 players had gone allin before me. What does everyone else think?
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I dont think so, you went with your gut and sometimes you got to lay the winning hand down when all the betting is so strong you have every reason to have to believe the bets especially when the BB calls.
Good fold, but obviously dont know much about the history of the preflop RR and BB so you would know more about there range of starting hands.
Would be interesting to see the BB cards to move all in he must of put the pre flop RR on.....well not much especially after moving all in.
Some interesting decisions anyways.
When a guy flats a raise and a reraise from the bb the danger sirens have to be ringing in your ears, unless you know he is really poor, even more so considering the raises were so big pre flop. AA or KK is the bbs holding a lot here.
With the bb playing the hand the way he did he is gonna have a lock over your hand a huge % of the time, like 95%
plus imo. Unless you have knowledge that he is an absoute loony you cant call and even if you knew he was a nutcase chances are you are behind to 1 of your opponents.
The button shoving on the flop was pretty bad too, who is gonna call 99% of the time that he has beaten on that flop? At least you got a lot of info on your 2 opponents that you can put to good use in future.
The fold from you was standard and just because it turned out to be one of the few times ever that your hand is gonna be good there doesnt mean that, in retrospect, you should even think about having called there.
Wp throughout I think.
Pre-flop is fine, a case could be made for folding but i'd probably need notes on them telling me they were solid players to fold, since some players at this level can have a lot of gamble.
Flop is fine. You led out to find out what was going on, and you were given two very loud answers. Muck it and move onto the next hand.
Try not to be results orientated here, you're crushed here such a huge percentage of the time that folding this once when you have the best hand really isn't a big deal. Just very quickly whack a quick summary of the hands into their notes so you have more info on them for the next time you clash.
One last thing, you said that the button showed his Tens at the end, and the BB mucked? That sounds awfully weird to me, as usually on a cash game on sky, when all the chips were in with cards to come, when it comes to the showdown the player to the left of the button has to show first? I may be wrong but i'm fairly sure that's usually the case?
Other times like you, I've folded decent pairs to all-ins where the showdown has shown that I would've beat both players.
As mentioned, at least you've got info should you ever play them again!
Seems a very strange call on their part.
I actually believe u played the hand well throughout and shouldnt beat urself up about it mate.
What was hand ID or when was it I will try and look it up and see what I had.
I dont remember hand I do around 700 hands a hour lol.
Are you sure hand went like this cos I cant think of a hand I would go in with there worse than 1010.
Although I make many mistakes a night as I play a fair few tables.
hurst05
I had nut flush draw, getting 3 to 1 on my money. I was actually 49.141% to win the hand on the flop.
Dont take this wrong way but you played hand badly. Am not going to spell it out for you but have a good think what you should have done, both pre flop and flop.
Firstly, thanks to bonniedog for posting the actual hand. Hurst, maybe in future before you post a hand you should check the hand history to make sure you remember it correctly. This also explains why Bonnie was able to muck her losing hand because she was actually on the button.
Righty, first off I have never played with bonnie before so I'm going on no info here, but we should be re-raising pre-flop out of the blinds. There are plenty of flops we're not going to like and we're OOP too, so we need to get a better idea of where we are pre IMO. Having said that Bonnie is a tight, conservative player, this makes it all the more important that you re-raise because you're going to find out pretty quickly if she has you crushed, especially as ICEMANWILL might be calling the re-raise too. Additionally it makes the flop so much easier to play.
As played pre, I think check-folding the flop is the right line. Certainly once you check you can't call behind the all-in and the call. I'm not sure I want to be leading out as alarm bells should have sounded before we even saw the flop.
I just found it in hand history, highlighted page ctrl+c then ctrl+v onto post. They have recently improved the hand history function and put it in this format.
The guy with Ten-Ten is probably folding to someone raising pre and C-betting since what is he beating especially since he's piggy-in-the-middle? And if bonnie shoves then you can call since you're up against one player and even if she hits her flush you have outs for the redraw.