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Sigggggghhhhh auto fold river? Or can a call be excused?
50/£1 cash 8 handed. Have just less than £250 after binking set over set. Tables pretty loose.
UTG has straddled UTG+1 calls. I find KK on the button, make it £12 with the Blinds and straddles in there. My image is normally pretty solid, so its never really going to be seen as anything but genuine strength to the regs @ table.
Fold round to UTG+1 who calls the extra £10. Never seen this guy before, have no info on him, first pot I've seen him play.
£29 in pot. Flop comes 9910r. He instanly reaches for chips, betting pot. I have no idea what he has, but am never folding to one bet. Dont really like a raise here myself. Flat and go to turn.
£89 in pot. 9910 9. I obviously feel much more comfortable now. But then he bets pot again, his hand is shaking really bad, so much so that another player at the table notices it and has a dig at him for it. But if he has quads I'm going to pay him off anyway. He hasnt showed any signs of slowing down, and wont fold here if I put him in anyway - if he has a 9/ a 10/ or Js through A's. So I dont see the point in raising.
£270 in pot. We both have roughly same back around £120. 9910 9 10. He quickly ships the rest. Know I'm beat but call because I'm an idiot. He shows 10J.
I dont often slowplay anything, generally lose to much value. But figured this is a safe enough spot to. Mainly as our hand is disguised, he isnt going to stop firing and wont fold a FH @ turn. Have to say my game is hugely off par lately as havent had a winning session for nearly 3 months and just am not playing well or seeing straight at all.
I definately should have shipped turn, outcome regardless. As played, should be snap fold river right....? Can we find an excuse to call? other than pot size and stack behind?
UTG has straddled UTG+1 calls. I find KK on the button, make it £12 with the Blinds and straddles in there. My image is normally pretty solid, so its never really going to be seen as anything but genuine strength to the regs @ table.
Fold round to UTG+1 who calls the extra £10. Never seen this guy before, have no info on him, first pot I've seen him play.
£29 in pot. Flop comes 9910r. He instanly reaches for chips, betting pot. I have no idea what he has, but am never folding to one bet. Dont really like a raise here myself. Flat and go to turn.
£89 in pot. 9910 9. I obviously feel much more comfortable now. But then he bets pot again, his hand is shaking really bad, so much so that another player at the table notices it and has a dig at him for it. But if he has quads I'm going to pay him off anyway. He hasnt showed any signs of slowing down, and wont fold here if I put him in anyway - if he has a 9/ a 10/ or Js through A's. So I dont see the point in raising.
£270 in pot. We both have roughly same back around £120. 9910 9 10. He quickly ships the rest. Know I'm beat but call because I'm an idiot. He shows 10J.
I dont often slowplay anything, generally lose to much value. But figured this is a safe enough spot to. Mainly as our hand is disguised, he isnt going to stop firing and wont fold a FH @ turn. Have to say my game is hugely off par lately as havent had a winning session for nearly 3 months and just am not playing well or seeing straight at all.
I definately should have shipped turn, outcome regardless. As played, should be snap fold river right....? Can we find an excuse to call? other than pot size and stack behind?
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He clearly had a 10 to me in the hand from turn, slight chance of a 9, but as said becomes immaterial mostly at turn. Cant really put him on any real range of hands going to the flop. Its a really loose game where any 2 plays for most part. Although hadnt played him before, my expectation was no different.
Once he leads pot at turn its an auto jam. I got clever and punished. If it plays the way I should, table shares my disgust when 500bb's are in at the turn and he binks his 1 outer. As it plays out, I have to make a bad call and muck my hand.
Left myself pretty much having to call from the way it played. Pretty much discounted J's or Q's after he flatted the straddle pre. He can really only hold a 10 I felt. Lack the dicipline to sigh fold at minute. Not convinced its the right spot for it either..........? Not sure. Although I'd discounted PP's I think it was the last "click and pray" thought that went through my mind
Would truly rather be sucked out on after moneys in than left pot stuck and putting money in dead. Ahh well, only went on lo lose 4 more BI's........................
Who sigh folds river when pot/stacks have got to this size? Most I guess. Just didnt have it in me that time.
Once he leads pot again money should be in. Without shoving here our value relies on him making another mistake on the river. Plus he can wriggle away when bad card falls. Say he has 88 or 10Q and river comes A or K. Will he go into c/c mode? Perhaps c/f after such strong bets have been called. Either way we are gambling that he auto stacks off on river which he might not. Wheras I dont think he'll ever fold turn with a host of hands which he pots it with twice.
I think lol. Seems optimum on paper
Only a house will pay you anyhow, put them in the tough spot of folding a house, force a mistake )
Fellow reg folded a 10, so he is drawing to 1 out. He has a 9, I stack off reasonably comfortably, its a risk we assess at turn, mostly ignoring/discounting it.
Am not being offhand when I say I cant see straight or read well at moment. If I could learn to hold I'd be very wealthy. Cant win anything just now, its bordering on unbearable.
Lol_Raise: Fold River? Or click and pray some dominated PP. As said trapped self. getting 4/1 on call? Call reload...? Last thoughts were J's or Q's + paying off for info in future. But pretty much knowing river was brutal.
Oppo hands are shaking so oppo has something good ya, so your going to be facing a river shove 100%
If it's AA then hey ho right ? So with oppo showing you live tells that he has it why not shove turn because if your contemplating folding to a river shove then you may aswel fold turn
bit off the wall but hey....
In honesty I'm not sure on it. Dont believe he ever folds turn with 9's full 10's. Were not talking a meticulously thinking player. That read is why I should have put him in there @ turn. He's just nowhere near good enough to ever think he's crushed.
Against a better player I pretty much always flat turn, to call allin on river, even in the far fetched scenario that he has A's, 10's or a 9. Mainly down to the fact that a better player will find it so hard to give up, even when wary on river. Will be auto jamming wider than a bad player (but yes not leading pot @ turn).
This guy turned out bad enough to have the shakes at the 2nd nut board hand
As played I think river is a sighfold with your reads, but I prob call in game