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kings you win and kings you lose!

edited November 2011 in The Poker Clinic
pryce6Small blind £0.20£0.20£36.23
pod1Big blind £0.40£0.60£55.22
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
   
alexmck13Fold    
beatbackFold    
pryce6Raise £1.00£1.60£35.23
pod1Raise £3.20£4.80£52.02
pryce6Raise £7.20£12.00£28.03
pod1Raise £19.20£31.20£32.82
pryce6All-in £28.03£59.23£0.00
pod1Call £13.63£72.86£19.19
pryce6Show
  • A
  • Q
   
pod1Show
  • K
  • K
   
Flop
  
  • 6
  • 7
  • 7
   
Turn
  
  • J
   
River
  
  • 6
   
pod1WinTwo Pairs, Kings and 7s£71.06 £90.25

Comments

  • edited November 2011
    haidyboySmall blind £0.15£0.15£50.06
    lynx3ffectBig blind £0.30£0.45£65.54
    huuuuumeSit out    
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
       
    pod1Raise £0.90£1.35£62.74
    tokyoFold    
    The_Don90Raise £3.30£4.65£50.77
    haidyboyRaise £8.70£13.35£41.36
    lynx3ffectFold    
    pod1Raise £24.60£37.95£38.14
    The_Don90Fold    
    haidyboyAll-in £41.36£79.31£0.00
    pod1Call £24.71£104.02£13.43
    haidyboyShow
    • A
    • A
       
    pod1Show
    • K
    • K
       
    Flop
      
    • 4
    • 6
    • J
       
    Turn
      
    • 4
       
    River
      
    • 9
       
    haidyboyWinTwo Pairs, Aces and 4s£102.22 £102.22
  • edited November 2011
    ps can i fold if i 5 bet smaller?

  • edited November 2011
    Im proud of my 3bet fold there but given the oppos i felt it was pretty easy.

    Going to sound wierd but i rekon you might can still fold. Haidys range imo is AA, KK and QQ. You have KK so thats unlikley, and i think we can almost count out QQ so i rekon a fold can be made. Just my opinion. Very weird for me to say that
  • edited November 2011
    Set mine against any aggressive action from those 2 villains. 


  • edited November 2011
    thats what i mean don, had i 5 bet to say £15 and he jams can i get away, the way i bet it i kinda had to.  i think a lot of cash purists will say you can never fold ks but at least i woulda had a choice :-0
  • edited November 2011
    was that to me jj!, do you really go set mining with ks?
  • edited November 2011
    shocked he 5 bet jammed AQ when youre never folding..............
  • edited November 2011

    lol, na was a tongue in cheek post...... maybe I'm giving pryce too much credit, he could occasionally have queens and AK, musta misclicked in this hand to get it in with AQ....

    But against the other fella I'd set mine aces. 
  • edited November 2011
    what about bet sizing on 2nd aymbr, should it have been less should i be thinking aces and should folding be even an option

  • edited November 2011
    lol jj, funny dynamic on the table to be fair. 3 handed and myself and pryce were sitting biggish and 3rd player was sat very shallow and it was a case of who was picking him off. once he was gone i was standing ob, and it was a bit of a case of i aint folding coz i dont believe you!
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: kings you win and kings you lose!:
    what about bet sizing on 2nd aymbr, should it have been less should i be thinking aces and should folding be even an option
    Posted by pod1
    Hard to say tbh.  Your 5bet is basically a jam, as your cleary saying your never folding.

    K's are always going to be super hard to lay down pre.  I've done it twice.  Both times due to there being a 3rd person in hand, flatting a raise then 4/5 betting their hand deep (as in I raise, 3rd player stations LP 3bets, I 4bet, initial stationer 5bets - or I flat the 3bet then he 4bets after stationing).

    You make the last effective bet, which is always going to be a good thing.  Just grim that he has it.  I dont think this would be a spot to fold in.  I've argued before we can entertain the idea, but were not sat deep enough, nor is there a wealth of info for us to draw to.  Positions muddy the water considerably here.

    Opponent will very likely play AK/AQ/QQ  out of the SB - following a potential button move - in a similar way.  Always going to be a cooler.  If action comes from different seats we can draw different conclusions...perhaps :p

    Its going to be awful 5bet folding (if you had 5bet smaller), flatting is bad.  We can only 5bet to snap call (this spot this hand), so sizing is mostly immaterial.

    I do same.  Get the last effective bet in.
  • edited November 2011
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