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NL10, hold KK with A on flop. Give up?
OK, I know you're probably going to say raise more pre, but I had been at the table for about 10-15 minutes without really getting involved in a hand (due to being dealt garbage) and I didn't want to suddenly come flying in with a massive raise and set alarm bells ringing.
With the pot 4-way, should I just give this up for dead? Or is it worth throwing out a c-bet?
| PARXL | Small blind | £0.05 | £0.05 | £11.90 | |
| arc72 | Big blind | £0.10 | £0.15 | £4.31 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| ACBRO67 | Fold | ||||
| Pysterman | Raise | £0.30 | £0.45 | £9.40 | |
| PIEMAN73 | Call | £0.30 | £0.75 | £8.72 | |
| cookiefish | Call | £0.30 | £1.05 | £5.17 | |
| PARXL | Fold | ||||
| arc72 | Call | £0.20 | £1.25 | £4.11 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| arc72 | Check | ||||
| Pysterman | |||||
Comments
Also i think from your position whether or not youve made any plays beforehand you still have to make it bigger than 3x pre.
Table player dependant.
I may fire once if laggy. Or c/c once to see where we are at turn.
If pretty standard play I may just give up, or look to turn my hand into a bluff.
b/f - draw heavy board so may get action from worse
4-way I sigh check flop and fold to any decent bet, just one of those horror flops for your hand.
even if worse calls its going to be pretty difficult to play thru the streets here unless you have very good reads
Wow another dig at me. Problem with me? If so lets get it out instead of the little digs you keep making.
Why is that so funny? What hand you worried about here? A big ace? If the caller is calling with his ace I bet he thinks he is out kicked, and he ain't gonna like calling that 2nd bet on the turn knowing another bet may be coming on the river.
If you think you can make people fold AQ,A4 etc by barrelling go for it, I disagree though. People who call weak aces wont fold enough to 2 barrells to make bluffing them a good idea.
But as long as it just 2 different syles of play giving advice then sorry for getting the wrong end of the stick.
when we are called how do we proceed? The overcard is an A also which is a bigger part of villains range. If we are c/f unimproved is betting once going to be profitable, is it checked down enough, suppose we can bet or call some rivers if turn checks thru, but oop to 2 of 3 players Im happy enough to c/f unless I have very good reads and think I own these guys
Apologies for the lol comment, but I think you are deluding yourself if you think trying to make people fold top pair is going to be profitable at 10NL
But I will check QQ if an A and a K fell on the flop in a multi-way pot.
I may be calling them down with AJ here but to be honest I'm not going to be too happy if they fire again on the turn and I think they may do so again on the river.
They fire twice there im not thinking "I think they have an underpair and my ragged ace may be good here"
The calls we are looking for are the draws/worse I guess, meanwhile c/c will keep in draws and worse but obviously we ain't good enough here to c/r which is a bit of a problem
Even though not folding flop leads to difficult spots on turn/river, I don't think this is a good enough reason to fold what is a very big hand. c/f only leads us to be bluffed off very easily.
Kinda leaning towards c/c, keeping in worse/draws/bluffs tbh
seriously still not folding to one bet, call me a station if you want
yeah c/c if you want but your probably going to be oop with no idea if they fire again with worse or if they always have an A if they fire again, tonnes of turncards complete draws. If you really think you can play rest of hand perfectly in this situation you can consider putting more money in pot, but I think thats unlikely (certainly for me) readless oop. People bluff less in 4way pots, and also one of them has an A a good percentage of the time
Im happy to c/f here because I think I end up folding later in hand too often if I bet or c/c flop readless with poor position, also will be beat a fair percentage of time we reach showdown
Also as dudeskin says how you think about this hand is not how your average microstakes player thinks. They think woohoo I have top pair keep pressing call
Only person that worries me what they think about I played the hand is me. I know they don't know I have KK and fold it there. But I think c/f KK here is weak cos you just give up. You say it is very likely someone hit that Ace. Which is right. But that ace is in your range more than any other players range at the table the way the hand went pre flop.
Yes there are players who only think of there hand. You get them at higher stakes than this also. But like I've said before NL4 is im my opion is now the same level of play that NL10 was 2 years ago. More players than not "ARE" thinking about their opponents cards.
Maybe betting the turn also is chucking chips away but you can't just c/f here.....At least fire one shot!!