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Top pair top kicker facing lead out bet and reraise?

waynecwaynec
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Reads:
No real reads on XX1 but XX2 was very tight and played few hands, seen him limp with AK and JJ in all not an agressive player.

I did not 3bet XX2 pre as felt a raise from him meant something big instead decided to see the flop and take it from there, great flop for my AQ but with this action alarm bells have to ring.
Any thoughts how to play this or is a fold standard here with just one pair?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
bambix01Small blind £0.10£0.10£6.61
XX1Big blind £0.20£0.30£7.67
 Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
   
andybethFold    
XX2Raise £0.60£0.90£19.34
bustout44Fold    
waynecCall £0.60£1.50£20.40
bambix01Fold    
XX1Call £0.40£1.90£7.27
Flop
  
  • Q
  • 8
  • 4
   
XX1Bet £1.00£2.90£6.27
XX2Raise £2.00£4.90£17.34
waynec???   
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  • ricky1984ricky1984
    edited December 2011
    I think im folding here. Without any reads on the xx1 its difficult to know what his donk bets could mean. But if xx2 is as tight as u say, then to min-raise with you still left to act tells me he already has you beat. and with no backdoor draws, im giving this up.

    Nice post though, be intersting to know what the outcome was
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    i would be happy to stick it in here i would reraise the £2 to about £5.50 if u get called im putting a guy on a flush draw if villain goes all in im calling he could easily have same hand or even k q remember villain only just called your raise preflop so u can eliminate aa kk qq here imo  he could have  a set but thats a cooler and nh but im deffo going with this hand here wayne gl 
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89
    edited December 2011
    Think i 3 bet with aq on the button here to stop the blinds coming in for cheap, its hard to fold because youve under repped your hand by just flat calling.

    I probably just flat here and see what happens on the turn.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited December 2011
    call. Definitely dont raise. XX1 is almost irrelevant given his stacksize
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  • waynecwaynec
    edited December 2011
    Thanks guys a mixed response here, I did fold as XX2 worried me very much. XX1 shoved  AQ also and XX2 called showing KK which held up. I will admit if this had not been a 3 way pot it would have been very costly for me  as dont think I would have got away from it. I was surprised not to see a set here and the AQ by xx1 was unexpected strange hand but I got away lightly
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  • ricky1984ricky1984
    edited December 2011
    Good fold
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    good fold ? hmmm u hit a dream flop top pair top kicker if u are folding this blimey i think its very nitty just an opinion 
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  • Ploppy33Ploppy33
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Top pair top kicker facing lead out bet and reraise?:
    good fold ? hmmm u hit a dream flop top pair top kicker if u are folding this blimey i think its very nitty just an opinion 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    If XX2 is limping JJ & AK his raising range is therefore AA KK or QQ. Followed by re-raise on flop I;m folding here to. 
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    i just cant see how u are losing here both call your preflop raise so can eliminate aa kk or qq only way i can see your beat on this flop is iof some 1 has a set thats just a cooler some 1 could easily have k q here and a flush draw  if i had this hand i would go with it all day long 
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  • ricky1984ricky1984
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Top pair top kicker facing lead out bet and reraise?:
    i just cant see how u are losing here both call your preflop raise so can eliminate aa kk or qq only way i can see your beat on this flop is iof some 1 has a set thats just a cooler some 1 could easily have k q here and a flush draw  if i had this hand i would go with it all day long 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    If you actually see the outcome that waynec posted, he was losing?! the guy was super tight, and made small re-raise with other player still to act. aq is beat most of the time here imo
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  • waynecwaynec
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Top pair top kicker facing lead out bet and reraise?:
    i just cant see how u are losing here both call your preflop raise so can eliminate aa kk or qq only way i can see your beat on this flop is iof some 1 has a set thats just a cooler some 1 could easily have k q here and a flush draw  if i had this hand i would go with it all day long 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU

    You need to re read my comments and look at the hand, I called a raise by XX who is super tight and raise from him is likely to be AK, QQ, KK, AA hence my flat call even on the button, without this read I would be 3betting in position with AQ. The way this hand unfolded I could not see how a bare QQ even with top kicker was ahead. For your attention I have posted the complete hand.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    bambix01Small blind £0.10£0.10£6.61
    smogs772Big blind £0.20£0.30£7.67
     Your hole cards
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="club">Q
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">A
    		   
    andybethFold    
    xxRaise £0.60£0.90£19.34
    bustout44Fold    
    https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 0px" class="dealer">waynecCall £0.60£1.50£20.40
    bambix01Fold    
    xCall £0.40£1.90£7.27
    Flop
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">Q
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">8
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">4
    		   
    xBet £1.00£2.90£6.27
    xxRaise £2.00£4.90£17.34
    waynecFold    
    xRaise £2.80£7.70£3.47
    XXRaise £11.30£19.00£6.04
    XAll-in £3.47£22.47£0.00
    XXUnmatched bet £6.03£16.44£12.07
    XShow
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">Q
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">A
    		   
    XXShow
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">K
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">K
    		   
    Turn
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">2
    		   
    River
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">J
    		   
    XXWinPair of Kings£15.61 £27.68
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