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Why do we get moved around after big pots?

edited December 2011 in Area 51
Whats the philosophy when moving people off of tables? I understand tables need to be balanced but its really frustrating when you have a bad beat by someone and then they or you are moved straight after? You dont even get the oppurtunity to win your chips back this is something that should be looked into. It'd save me alot of angry threads aswell lol thanks.
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  • edited December 2011
    The skypoker player table shuffle is not only programmed to balance the tables in terms of numbers, it also ''balances'' the tables in terms of chip stacks, this is the reason that shuffles sometimes occur even when no players are knocked out. This has been discussed before and people can actually calculate who will be moved before the actual move takes place as their is a formula that the programme uses, and the shuffle is NOT random no matter who tells you otherwise.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    The skypoker player table shuffle is not only programmed to balance the tables in terms of numbers, it also ''balances'' the tables in terms of chip stacks, this is the reason that shuffles sometimes occur even when no players are knocked out. This has been discussed before and people can actually calculate who will be moved before the actual move takes place as their is a formula that the programme uses, and the shuffle is NOT random no matter who tells you otherwise.
    Posted by loonytoons
    So how come in nearly every tounrey I play, the 3 biggest chipstacks are on the same table?

    If there is a formula... it sucks!
  • edited December 2011
    I'd guess it's because the theory is that the big stacks can all play a reasonable game against each other and the smaller stacks can all play a reasonable game against each other but they probably want to avoid 1 guy having 90k and the other 5 have 8k.

    I know it's a bit annoying but I'm sure it used to happen on FullTilt too because I remember someone on there saying to me that you gotta get a double up early on in the big tourneys otherwise you'll be missing out on playing against the big stacks and youll struggle to build up a big stack playing against loads of short stacks. I'm not saying that's true but it's what some guy said.

    I dunno about you but I don't like being moved to a table where everyone has me covered by about 8 to 1 and I get half a dozen callers to my AK shove which means I get knocked out cos its a big family pot and someone hits bgiger than me.
  • edited December 2011
    It's completely random ya plonkers.

    As if they're gonna fix table draws the site would be closed down. 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    The skypoker player table shuffle is not only programmed to balance the tables in terms of numbers, it also ''balances'' the tables in terms of chip stacks, this is the reason that shuffles sometimes occur even when no players are knocked out. This has been discussed before and people can actually calculate who will be moved before the actual move takes place as their is a formula that the programme uses, and the shuffle is NOT random no matter who tells you otherwise.
    Posted by loonytoons
    That is INCORRECT.

    I'm not going to get into a debate about it, but people sometimes believe Posts like that, & that's dangerous.
  • edited December 2011
    gotta love blind faith!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    Whats the philosophy when moving people off of tables? I understand tables need to be balanced but its really frustrating when you have a bad beat by someone and then they or you are moved straight after? You dont even get the oppurtunity to win your chips back this is something that should be looked into. It'd save me alot of angry threads aswell lol thanks.
    Posted by adz777
    There is nothing "to be looked into" Sir. It's how poker works the world over, Live & Online.

    Poker is not always a fair game, but it's swings & roundabouts. You know, sometimes it works against us, sometimes it works for us. It behoves us to remember BOTH, & that we can't have our cake & eat it.

    Do you REALLY expect the rules of poker to take into account the fact you've just lost (or won.....) a pot to a table-companion? Be a neat bit of software, that.
  • edited December 2011
    Do 3 of the biggest stacks sometimes end up on the same table? Yes.

    Does a big stack sometimes end up being moved to a table full of Med and small stacks? Yes.

    When you take a bad beat do you sometimes get moved? Yes.

    If you dominating a table do you sometimes get moved to a table with someone that seems to get the better of you the most of the time. Yes

    Etc, Etc.

    IMO that is because it is Random.
  • edited December 2011
    Also, one thing I did mean to say when I first replied is that, you should take your ego away from the table. Just because you lost a big pot against someone (bad beat or not) does not mean you need to win a big pot back agasint him... just play the hands that come to you the best you can.
  • edited December 2011
  • edited December 2011


    Is it random that the 'software' here on Sky incorrectly (IMO) moves you AFTER you have just been on the button on one table onto a table where you are/or will be next hand, one of the blinds? In live poker, in most venues at least, is it not the player coming up to his BB to move NOT the button?

    This has been brought up on numerous occasions before. 

    As for the OP, this is random.
  • edited December 2011

    I used to be a TD and in my experiance its completely random live and online. I used to have a computer tell me the name of the player to move. It only knew the structure, av stack and names of players and where they where currently seated. Never knew their stacks, certainly live its too much work for anyone to update a stack everytime somone wins a pot.

    On 3 seperate occassions i had two tables left, one had an av stack double of the av stack while the other was obviously half.

    It happens/

  • edited December 2011
    I`D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN I`M ON ONE TABLE AND GETTING CRACKING CARDS AND OWNING THE TABLE I GET MOVED AND THE CARDS DRY UP, YET WHEN I`M ON A TABLE AND GETTING DONK CARDS I WANT TO MOVE TABLES HOPING TO GET BETTER CARDS BUT I NEVER GET MOVED AND THEN CHIP LEADER COMES ONTO SAID TABLE ??? 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    I`D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN I`M ON ONE TABLE AND GETTING CRACKING CARDS AND OWNING THE TABLE I GET MOVED AND THE CARDS DRY UP, YET WHEN I`M ON A TABLE AND GETTING DONK CARDS I WANT TO MOVE TABLES HOPING TO GET BETTER CARDS BUT I NEVER GET MOVED AND THEN CHIP LEADER COMES ONTO SAID TABLE ??? 
    Posted by spornybol
    Don, as a former T.D, can u explain this 1? 
  • edited December 2011



    Why do threads get moved after big questions are asked?
  • edited December 2011
    I do believe the table shuffling software always takes into account the emotional state of each individual player, it then calculates which players will get most annoyed by being moved, using a psychological profiling technique developed by Freud and a particularly annoying friend of his that wanted to annoy an ex policeman
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots? : Don, as a former T.D, can u explain this 1? 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    ummm variance
  • edited December 2011
    Sky software is totally amazing and can do so many things.........

    Always moves me to the table where the big stacks are.

    The biggest stack is always to my immediate left.

    It ALWAYS moves me when I have just posted a big blind.

    And puts me straight into the big blind on the next table.

    If I am totally dominating a fish on my table, it will move him away.

    In a bounty hunter it will always move me away from a table of shortstacks in case I win a bounty.


    In the bigger tournies I am always up against the top guys.

    When I am moved it NEVER sits me in my favourite seat (this is just to try to tilt me)

    When multitabling it will synchronize the moves, by moving me on four tables together it tries to confuse me.


    It always does this exactly when I nip to the kitchen to put the kettle on for maximum effect.

    When I am busy in the chatbox I am always moved away if the conversation is interesting.

    And it ALWAYS times it perfectly so my last comment appears on the new table where nobody knows wtf I  am talking about.


    It is obvious that someone has taken a lot of trouble to write this software just for me, and in some ways I see that as a compliment. Maybe the OP should look at it in the same way...it is just a cross we have to bear !






  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    I do believe the table shuffling software always takes into account the emotional state of each individual player, it then calculates which players will get most annoyed by being moved, using a psychological profiling technique developed by Freud and a particularly annoying friend of his that wanted to annoy an ex policeman
    Posted by oynutter

    This really did make me laugh out loud! Its so funny I want to kiss you! x

    Edit: Ok I got a bit carried away there, but it is funny.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots? : This really did make me laugh out loud! Its so funny I want to kiss you! x Edit: Ok I got a bit carried away there, but it is funny.
    Posted by Donut64
    RUN NUTTER, RUN LIKE THE WIND
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    Why do threads get moved after big questions are asked?
    Posted by MAXALLY
    To balance the forum, silly


  • edited December 2011
    why has this been moved to area 51? i didnt say what i believed as i wanted to ask a serious question i have my own oppinion on the sky software from playing most sites. I totaly agree with the point made about being moved away from the real short stacks which annoys me when u grind someone down and finally have then covered and your moved lol sky sort it out it aint this way on all sites and you'd be silly to say that lol
  • edited December 2011
    adz why would they pin point you!!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    It's completely random ya plonkers. As if they're gonna fix table draws the site would be closed down. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I beg to differ! The rng is random, however i believe that it was discussed on another thread and players knew the re distribution procedure of players moving onto other tables during tournaments and they were not random, they followed a logical sequence pre programmed - no matter what tikay says.
    And why has this been moved to area 51 ya sky plonkers lol, try and at least put threads in there correct place - and this aint it!!!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    Sky software is totally amazing and can do so many things......... Always moves me to the table where the big stacks are. The biggest stack is always to my immediate left. It ALWAYS moves me when I have just posted a big blind. And puts me straight into the big blind on the next table. If I am totally dominating a fish on my table, it will move him away. In a bounty hunter it will always move me away from a table of shortstacks in case I win a bounty. In the bigger tournies I am always up against the top guys. When I am moved it NEVER sits me in my favourite seat (this is just to try to tilt me) When multitabling it will synchronize the moves, by moving me on four tables together it tries to confuse me. It always does this exactly when I nip to the kitchen to put the kettle on for maximum effect. When I am busy in the chatbox I am always moved away if the conversation is interesting. And it ALWAYS times it perfectly so my last comment appears on the new table where nobody knows wtf I  am talking about. It is obvious that someone has taken a lot of trouble to write this software just for me, and in some ways I see that as a compliment. Maybe the OP should look at it in the same way...it is just a cross we have to bear !
    Posted by penguin7
    You forgot the part where the Software gives you the nuts at the flop, the nuts at the turn then rivers a miracle card for your opponent when all your money's gone in!
    Come on Penguin please try harder lol
  • edited December 2011
    read this thread peeps, especially the post by sweetlady, and the replies to her post. Everyone blindly saying its random without any technical knowledge of this fact, some even admitting they they dont know but are sure its random. personally i dont mind the way its done, but for people to just blindly say that its random and everyone who disagrees is a plonker, is as much a plonker himself!

    https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a26052e45-99fe-48c3-8273-f093bf15dbad&plckCurrentPage=0
  • edited December 2011
    well i can honestly say i played in the ME last night and for 3 hours i watched people come and go and never got a moved until late on..  i fell asleep i was at the same boring table in the same seat
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    why has this been moved to area 51? i didnt say what i believed as i wanted to ask a serious question i have my own oppinion on the sky software from playing most sites. I totaly agree with the point made about being moved away from the real short stacks which annoys me when u grind someone down and finally have then covered and your moved lol sky sort it out it aint this way on all sites and you'd be silly to say that lol
    Posted by adz777
    That'll work.

    The size of the chip stacks is NOT part of the software prgramme that deals with Table Balancing, either at Sky Poker, or any other Online Site. Fact.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots?:
    In Response to Re: Why do we get moved around after big pots? : I beg to differ! The rng is random, however i believe that it was discussed on another thread and players knew the re distribution procedure of players moving onto other tables during tournaments and they were not random, they followed a logical sequence pre programmed - no matter what tikay says. And why has this been moved to area 51 ya sky plonkers lol, try and at least put threads in there correct place - and this aint it!!!
    Posted by loonytoons
    Thanks it annoyed me more than anything that they moved my thread here and why do people bang on so much i enjoy sky poker but i aint never gona be 1 of the regs who continuilly bum it up for brownie points.
  • edited December 2011
    like i say adz, what possible reason would they move you once you been hit. there is no gain to any party. 
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