Flopped flush/str draw OOP

rancid

Deep stack

What are people opinions on how to play this deep stacked
Arguments for and against getting it now or calling and playing some poker

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rancid	Small blind		40.00	40.00	5532.50
omg_u_call	Big blind		80.00	120.00	2557.50
	Your hole cards	10 Q
hrstlee69	Fold
deepboy	Fold
Bear_Proof	Raise		240.00	360.00	4525.00
jeffsjacks	Call		240.00	600.00	8242.50
rancid	Call		200.00	800.00	5332.50
omg_u_call	Fold
Flop
		J 4 K
rancid	Check
Bear_Proof	Bet		320.00	1120.00	4205.00
jeffsjacks	Fold
rancid	?

waynec

I would be betting out here, unless you are planning a check/raise.

ricky1984

I'm re-raising here every time!!!

grantorino

reads?

IDONKCALLU

i  leading out here aswell but as played i would raise to about 900 u have got sooooooooooo many outs 

mickgil75

if it was my hand i,d lose,some donk wld all in 88,hit the 8,u miss,,bye bye, thankyou sky lol

rancid

In Response to Re: Flopped flush/str draw OOP:

reads?
Posted by grantorino

No reads GT

Just thinking over draws in general and when is it a good situation to call down and when is it ok to stick it in

PM if you would prefer because I hear lol_raise advocate calling down a lot


I know it's got something to do with FE, direct/implied odds etc.. but I am just trying to get these situations right in my head tbh

I honestly don't think it's good to be pumping it all in on a draw, plus we have this dilema of do we get paid if we call down - risk v reward and all that

There must be certain situations where you should be shoving but why shove  and why call.
It would seen a flush draw is enough for some peeps to get it in as a dog, but surely this is not good if you have no FE.

If anyone could clear this up for me then great PM ME - thanks


 

waynec

with ur str8 and flush draw against a random hand your a 75% fav, worth a reraise at least! 

IDONKCALLU

i would be raising here for sure 

dogcharlie

In Response to Re: Flopped flush/str draw OOP:

i would be raising here for sure 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

id check raise. u want someone leading then yr laffing

IDONKCALLU

yeah a lead disguises your hand check raise is 8 out of 10 times a flush draw on a 2 suited board with a donk lead out you could be repping  anything 

The_Don90

i prefer the c/r tbh. easier to get it in and no more desisions. expessially while we're a fav

grantorino

Couple of points that have come up in this thread:

1. we may be 75% against a random hand but villains hand is not random.
 
2. If we c/r flop and villain gets it in its questionable that we are a favourite, certainly if we are its prob as a very small favourite

3. I doubt a c/r is a fd 8 times out of 10. Even if it is, how often is a donk a draw?

I prob c/r readless, fold equity and the fact we always have pretty good equity when called prob make it the best play, rather than calling when our implieds may be limited oop (although they are pretty juicy odds)

I dont hate just folding pre oop readless