500BB pot. 4 cards to dodge. Guess the river.

The_Don90

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JINTY	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.19
raggy94	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.29
	Your hole cards	7 7
daz69	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£10.35
isisjoe18	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£4.02
The_Don90	Call		£0.16	£0.54	£13.69
JINTY	Fold
raggy94	Fold
Flop
		7 J Q
daz69	Bet		£0.54	£1.08	£9.81
isisjoe18	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.76	£2.84	£11.93
daz69	Raise		£2.44	£5.28	£7.37
The_Don90	Raise		£6.10	£11.38	£5.83
daz69	All-in		£7.37	£18.75	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£2.49	£21.24	£3.34
daz69	Show	Q J
The_Don90	Show	7 7
Turn
		2
River
		Q
daz69	Win	Full House, Queens and Jacks	£19.84		£19.84

unknown_username

With two pair after the flop the oppo needed one of four cards still in the deck to FH. So committing before the turn is:

4/47 * 2/1 = roughly 1/6 or 5-1; not exactly a long odds draw?

Personally, I would have taken the hint with the £1.76 (44 BB) re-raise, although on these tables there'll always be oppos who just ain't gonna put down two pair in pictures - and of course it depends on how you've been playing in earlier hands. After the re-re-raise I think I would have thought, in your seat, two pair (in which case the 17%-ish risk of a FH is there) or he's got a better set than three 7s? A what point do you lay down a bottom set?

A matter of style, of course, and I suspect you're a much better player than I'll ever be, but this looks to be another example of being drawn into playing a hand where the risk of being overtaken doesn't justify the amount having to be chucked into the pot to play through.

Better cards in future.

The_Don90

only 6 combos of hands beat me. AA and KK both probably play the same way too. QJ aswell. No chance im folding bottom set. ill take 80% every day of the week. if he has QQ/JJ then so be it.

djblacke04

In Response to Re: 500BB pot. 4 cards to dodge. Guess the river.:

With two pair after the flop the oppo needed one of four cards still in the deck to FH. So committing before the turn is: 4/47 * 2/1 = roughly 1/6 or 5-1; not exactly a long odds draw? Personally, I would have taken the hint with the £1.76 (44 BB) re-raise, although on these tables there'll always be oppos who just ain't gonna put down two pair in pictures - and of course it depends on how you've been playing in earlier hands. After the re-re-raise I think I would have thought, in your seat, two pair (in which case the 17%-ish risk of a FH is there) or he's got a better set than three 7s? A what point do you lay down a bottom set? A matter of style, of course, and I suspect you're a much better player than I'll ever be, but this looks to be another example of being drawn into playing a hand where the risk of being overtaken doesn't justify the amount having to be chucked into the pot to play through. Better cards in future.
Posted by Goethe

is never about the odds on it happening,it about the frequency it happens when you all in.

unknown_username

Aren't the two related? On second thoughts, nah . . . not on this site.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: 500BB pot. 4 cards to dodge. Guess the river.:

only 6 combos of hands beat me. AA and KK both probably play the same way too. QJ aswell. No chance im folding bottom set. ill take 80% every day of the week. if he has QQ/JJ then so be it.
Posted by The_Don90

That's regardless of how much you've got to chuck in to see it through to the finish?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: 500BB pot. 4 cards to dodge. Guess the river.:

In Response to Re: 500BB pot. 4 cards to dodge. Guess the river. : That's regardless of how much you've got to chuck in to see it through to the finish?
Posted by Goethe

ok so say i flat his next re-raise and i flat the turn. I have to put him on QQ/JJ or QJ to fold the river again. suddenly now theirs only one combo of QQ so thats unlikley 3 conbos of JJ so possible. and 6 combos of QJ.

So in total by the river their 10 combos of hand that beat me. Theres 000's of hands he can have and only 10 of them beat me. Chances are i still cant fold and go broke.

unknown_username

OK.

marcus191

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