Beat the Rake

freechips1

Would like peoples thoughts on low stakes cash and beating the rake.
As i understand rake stands at 5% with a cap of.....erm just found this so its 7.5%. 

Rake levels: 5p/10p and below

Number of Players	Maximum Rake % per Pot	Maximum Rake per Pot
2	7.5% of the pot*	£0.70
3+	7.5% of the pot*	£1.40

Rake levels: Above 5p/10p

Number of Players	Maximum Rake % per Pot	Maximum Rake per Pot
2	5% of the pot*	£1.00
3+	5% of the pot*	£1.80

Lambert180

There is an asterix next to '7.5% of the pot', I dunno what it says elsewhere but would be helpful if you include that so you at least give a fair representation of what the rake table really means.

freechips1

Im a tad shocked that its 7.5%.
What i wanted to know was peoples opinions on rake and how it effects you play. 
After seeing this I now know its not pos to beat the rake at low stakes by taking the odd flip.
Getting it in with JJ pre is gonna be a losing play as most of the time its a flip vs AK (using this as a example)
So to beat the rake we need to get our money as a min 60% fav? and never take a flip.

freechips1

In Response to Re: Beat the Rake:

There is an asterix next to '7.5% of the pot', I dunno what it says elsewhere but would be helpful if you include that so you at least give a fair representation of what the rake table really means.
Posted by Lambert180

(*Rounded UP to the nearest pence)

Lambert180

I'm sorry but its just not true that it's not possible to beat the rake at these levels. I've turned £20 into £200+ at these stakes and I know many other people who have made good money from them. Your game shouldnt revolve around getting it in flipping anyway regardless of the rake. The better the player, the more postflop play there will be.

freechips1

For mid stakes 100nl If 2 people get 100bb stacks in pre 6 max. £200 pot =£1.80 in rake so it is 0.9% so you can get money in as a 52% fav and be a winner.

At 10nl if 2 people get 100bb stacks in pre 6 max.  £20 pot = £1.40 in rake so its 7%.
If you chuck in a bit of variance is it pos to beat the rake at low stakes?

freechips1

In Response to Re: Beat the Rake:

I'm sorry but its just not true that it's not possible to beat the rake at these levels. I've turned £20 into £200+ at these stakes and I know many other people who have made good money from them. Your game shouldnt revolve around getting it in flipping anyway regardless of the rake. The better the player, the more postflop play there will be.
Posted by Lambert180

I did not say its not possible.  But you will not be a winner long term getting money in <60% fav.

Lambert180

Well stop racing then, and play post flop and get it in when you're good

BigBluster

Selling shovels.

freechips1

Getting it in as a flip is standard in cash, you saying 3b fold AK? only get it in with AA and KK pre? 
Would like you to explain how you can play with any sort of balanced range without getting it in a flip every so often.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Beat the Rake:

Getting it in as a flip is standard in cash, you saying 3b fold AK? only get it in with AA and KK pre?  Would like you to explain how you can play with any sort of balanced range without getting it in a flip every so often.
Posted by freechips1

You're completely right in that you will get it in on a flip every so often, but you cannot expect for your entire profit to come from these flips.