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Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot

edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic

Another basic hand that i masaccred. I think i hae forgotton how to play.

My read on the opponant so far is that he always has it. I dont think he would be capable of floating and repping the flush. Im sure he has the flush alot here.

Questions

1. Flop lead amount?
2. should i check turn?
3. can i c/f here? what would u do otr?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceGREGHOGG Small blind  20.00 20.00 1632.50 kingtin77 Big blind  40.00 60.00 1602.50   Your hole cards 8 8       XXCall  40.00 100.00 1455.00 brummie113 Call  40.00 140.00 3220.00 beefy777 Fold     N_13 Fold     GREGHOGG Call  20.00 160.00 1612.50 kingtin77 Check     Flop    8 2 4       GREGHOGG Bet  120.00 280.00 1492.50 kingtin77 Fold     xxCall  120.00 400.00 1335.00 brummie113 Fold     Turn    Q       GREGHOGG Bet  200.00 600.00 1292.50 xxCall  200.00 800.00 1135.00 River    K

Comments

  • edited December 2011
    id probably be nearer pot on the flop maybe even consider overbetting depending on the oppo. we're only worried about the flush on later streets. i probably just stack.
  • edited December 2011


      I think i might be tempted to check flop hoping he is aggro and will bet, allowing c/r all in. If he folds to c/r job done, if he sticks around close your eyes and hope.

      As played you just KNOW the flush always gets there.
  • edited December 2011
    flop is fine
    c/c turn 
    c/c or c/f river

  • edited December 2011
    1. Fine for me.

    2. Turn probz bet more and call shove.

    3. b/c.
  • edited December 2011
    i would of bet more on the turn about 250 and on river i would never check here i think a value bet is order of the day but if you get raised tricky spot then id have to value bet river about 550
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    flop is fine c/c turn  c/c or c/f river
    Posted by rancid
    rancid i think youve actually came up with some good points latley. however at nit picking i think if we c/c and c/c river we're handing the oppo the hand almost. Greg already stated he doesnt rekon hes capable of bluffing here.
  • edited December 2011

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    rarther c/c turn and look to fill on river if we are sure oppo never bluffs

    May even c/c river depending on amount :S

    If oppo never bluffs and never bets/raises with worse with that turn card then….it kinda makes b/f pointless

    Turn card does kill our action also, what is oppo going to be calling the lead with that we have beat


    The turn card may just end up losing us max value from a set !


    if oppo checks back turn, we v/b river

  • edited December 2011
    someone once told me b/f b/f b/f

    Now tbh in a £5 tourny im not folding a set without very valid reasons. I think our opponent could easily station the flop and turn with a worse set, even overcards with a heart, say KQ with the K of hearts good value hand for us or AK too.

    obv i dont know the oppo and gregs notes are a little brief here, and im not sure they really help our desision. As soon as he says "hes hit everything" i believe greg instanly thinks, hes hit yet another flush. imo tilt
  • edited December 2011

    Turn card Is not great for us, it kills our action or helps oppo

     

    In the face of an action killing card for our set we are not folding, so we b/f or c/c.

    The turn card is either a good card for oppo or a bad one!

     

    If we lead, what calls//raises

    If we check, what bets

     

    We have loads of equity, so no fold – I am not saying fold at turn !

    If we fill on river, happy days – if oppo checks back turn – v/b river

    If we miss – maybe c/c or c/f – depends !

     

    The only question we have is – does oppo bluff here or overplay hands in these situations !! Not easy )


    BTW love the mankini !!!! :D


    Also the flat pre doesn't help us at all does it :)

  • edited December 2011
    Bet/bet/shove!

    Who cares it's early stages of a £5 tourny, u aint wasted much time or money, he can call with worse. 

    Playing with stacks like this in spots like this is so awkward. 

    Short or Big ftw! :)
  • edited December 2011

    Well I guess the only debate should be, do we play the same if it’s a £5 or £55 tourney )

     

    Maybe our line should be:

    Yipeeeeee bet/eeeeer bet/sod it shove !! O f!!k he got it – kick cat !! or yaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh open the fourth beer - oppo is so bad !!

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    Bet/bet/shove! Who cares it's early stages of a £5 tourny, u aint wasted much time or money, he can call with worse.  Playing with stacks like this in spots like this is so awkward.  Short or Big ftw! :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    he can hae an under set, thats about it.
  • edited December 2011
    agree with dohhhhh

    there are fish all over the place in this type of tourney so im never folding a set.  if i lose i just buy in to the next one or go back to cash tables.

    obv a £55 is different as the standard of opponent is a lot different.  im still not folding though.

    at the early stages of every tourney im looking to build a big stack so i can run deep. 
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    agree with dohhhhh there are fish all over the place in this type of tourney so im never folding a set.  if i lose i just buy in to the next one or go back to cash tables. obv a £55 is different as the standard of opponent is a lot different.  im still not folding though. at the early stages of every tourney im looking to build a big stack so i can run deep. 
    Posted by huuuuume
    I have to agree with all three of you to a certain extent 
    If getting a stack early > than busting early then bet/bet/shove !

    But I still find it hard to see worse calling us down here, they gotta be crazy !
    Like what the hell has oppo got ? set/Qxh/draw - !!!



     




  • edited December 2011
    basically 3 words here EMPTY THE CLIP  and size ya bets up to make a it a good size all in on the river 
  • edited December 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    GREGHOGG Small blind  20.00 20.00 1632.50
    kingtin77 Big blind  40.00 60.00 1602.50
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 8
         
    xxCall  40.00 100.00 1455.00
    brummie113 Call  40.00 140.00 3220.00
    beefy777 Fold     
    N_13 Fold     
    GREGHOGG Call  20.00 160.00 1612.50
    kingtin77 Check     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 2
    • 4
         
    GREGHOGG Bet  120.00 280.00 1492.50
    kingtin77 Fold     
    xxCall  120.00 400.00 1335.00
    brummie113 Fold     
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    GREGHOGG Bet  200.00 600.00 1292.50
    xx Call  200.00 800.00 1135.00
    River
       
    • K
         
    GREGHOGG Check     
    xxBet  600.00 1400.00 535.00
    GREGHOGG Call  600.00 2000.00 692.50
    xxShow
    • 5
    • K
       
    GREGHOGG Muck
    • 8
    • 8
       
    xxWin Flush to the King 2000.00  2535.00
  • edited December 2011
    suppose i didnt go broke, but shoulda sigh
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    suppose i didnt go broke, but shoulda sigh
    Posted by GREGHOGG


       LOL as i said you just know flush gets there. Well done on not going broke i am fast realising that in mtts it is pointless trying to price out flush draws, they seem to hit too often.
  • edited December 2011
    Id play same other then fold to river bet, bet sizing fine throughout

    before i saw the results i put him on flush but am calling if he bets 400 or less
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot :    LOL as i said you just know flush gets there. Well done on not going broke i am fast realising that in mtts it is pointless trying to price out flush draws, they seem to hit too often.
    Posted by pomfrittes

    &

    In Response to Re: Variance is it just code for getting donked out??:
    In Response to Re: Variance is it just code for getting donked out?? :  Sporny, i find it incredible the number of times  flush draws get there. Have now come to the conclusion that if flush draw is on there is no point in betting big to deny odds cos they will chase anyway and when they hit in an mtt you are  usually out or at least crippled.
    Posted by pomfrittes

    2nd time I've read this from you today....

    I'm not sure this theory will help your ROI much! :s

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot:
    In Response to Re: Mini Primo- flopped set in mulitway pot : & In Response to  Re: Variance is it just code for getting donked out?? : 2nd time I've read this from you today.... I'm not sure this theory will help your ROI much! :s
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH



       LOL Good point, well made.
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