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£3k BH - Call here?

splashiessplashies
edited December 2011 in The Poker Clinic
£3000 BH about 140 players left, top 40 paid.

I havent played with villain much, but they have played shed loads of mtt's on sky with a decent record.

Is this a snap call? Ace-wise, the only hand i fear is AQ and maybe A8, AK probably 3 bets pre (not sure tho).

I doubt a set of 8's will shove, could do though.

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceCASVAGAS Small blind  75.00 75.00 5743.75 tallytink Big blind  150.00 225.00 6905.00  Your hole cards J A    erskobar Call  150.00 375.00 5085.00 splashies Raise  475.00 850.00 2735.00 wanger123 Fold     Pav72 Fold     CASVAGAS Fold     tallytink Call  325.00 1175.00 6580.00 erskobar Call  325.00 1500.00 4760.00 Flop  8 K A    tallytink Check     erskobar Check     splashies Bet  700.00 2200.00 2035.00 tallytink All-in  6580.00 8780.00 0.00 erskobar Fold     splashies
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited December 2011
    easy fold

    i cant see any hands she would do that with that you are beating
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    easy fold i played tallytink alot a atg player solid aswell cant see how your ahead either looks like 2 pair here
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited December 2011
    sry misread ur stack, thought u had more chips spashies

    So i think a ship preflop is best here.

    As played its a tougher fold than my first post, but... wow, it could be a fold still with the reads i hae on tallytink! lol
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited December 2011
    Snap call it 
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited December 2011
    Defo call.
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  • splashiessplashies
    edited December 2011

    Greg mentioned shipping pre. Do people think thats better than raising? I had 21bb stack, so i guess it's close.

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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here?:
    Greg mentioned shipping pre. Do people think thats better than raising? I had 21bb stack, so i guess it's close.
    Posted by splashies
    I dont think ya need to ship it pre with AJos , surely with 21bb's AJ is vulnerable if played this way long term as ure prob only gonna get action from hands that are ahead of ya.
    With regards to the call or not , its tight imo but i reckon i do make the call.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited December 2011
    Ship pre is also ok imo, esp as people apparently call ridiculously light.

    Would any1 be betting smaller here? Maybe 400 on the flop?
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here?:
    Ship pre is also ok imo, esp as people apparently call ridiculously light. Would any1 be betting smaller here? Maybe 400 on the flop?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Well i reckon long term shippin pre is a BIG loser , and yeah maybe a smallish bet on flop would be ok.
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  • rancidrancid
    edited December 2011

    Raise fold pre is ok

    Can’t see how we b/f flop, just shove it in – if oppo has AQ then o well – think Ax calls that we beat

    Can’t see how we get away from an ace high flop even with a smaller bet on flop

    as played

    call, could easily be doing this with Ax - can't see how we b/f here :S

    Maybe oppo thinks they can get you to fold a better ace :()

    Not an easy one this :S

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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here?:
    Greg mentioned shipping pre. Do people think thats better than raising? I had 21bb stack, so i guess it's close.
    Posted by splashies
    This was the first thing that crossed my mind looking at the hand.  Its pretty close IMO.  I think the bet size you make leaves you a lifeline, as you still have a workable stack if you do get called and decide to cut and run.

    I likely shove with the limpage.  But I think the bet size you make pre is ok also.
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  • splashiessplashies
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here?:
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here? : This was the first thing that crossed my mind looking at the hand.  Its pretty close IMO.  I think the bet size you make leaves you a lifeline, as you still have a workable stack if you do get called and decide to cut and run. I likely shove with the limpage.  But I think the bet size you make pre is ok also.
    Posted by AMYBR
    Yeh esp when it went 3 way to the flop. If i totally miss i prob wont c-bet 3-way with that stack.

    Once i c-bet i have to call tho right?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here?:
    In Response to Re: £3k BH - Call here? : Yeh esp when it went 3 way to the flop. If i totally miss i prob wont c-bet 3-way with that stack. Once i c-bet i have to call tho right?
    Posted by splashies

    Yeah definately.  Thing is he has to play A10< the same way given what you have behind.

    But this is likely why I'd shove pre, to avoid this spot.  I think 8's are def in his range, but it cant be helped.  Your priced in to outdraw flopped A8 btw :p  That would be a sick hand with the limp, call.



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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited December 2011
    I think pre is fine.

    Flop is a snap call really I think.  Just too strong a hand.

    Knowing villain tho its 888 but w/e
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  • splashiessplashies
    edited December 2011
    Thanks everyone for your input.

    Everyone with reads on the villain is spot on. I'll know next time now :)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    CASVAGAS Small blind  75.00 75.00 5743.75
    tallytink Big blind  150.00 225.00 6905.00
     Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    		   
    erskobar Call  150.00 375.00 5085.00
    splashies Raise  475.00 850.00 2735.00
    wanger123 Fold     
    Pav72 Fold     
    CASVAGAS Fold     
    tallytink Call  325.00 1175.00 6580.00
    erskobar Call  325.00 1500.00 4760.00
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • K
    • A
    		   
    tallytink Check     
    erskobar Check     
    splashies Bet  700.00 2200.00 2035.00
    tallytink All-in  6580.00 8780.00 0.00
    erskobar Fold     
    splashies All-in  2035.00 10815.00 0.00
    tallytink Unmatched bet  3845.00 6970.00 3845.00
    tallytink Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    splashies Show
    • J
    • A
    		   
    Turn
      
    • K
    		   
    River
      
    • 4
    		   
    tallytink Win Full House, Kings and Aces 6970.00  10815.00
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited December 2011
    The little Tinker !!!
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited December 2011

    shoving pre sounds a little ott to me. People who suggest shove  are you shoving your entire opening rasnge here?

    Flop I think checking back is the best option if he doesnt stack off with worse much

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