Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro

rancid

Mini open

How does yoyo not fold there
Does my line scream AK here

or is this just a blind on blind stack off )

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
yoyo	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1970.00
rancid	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1930.00
	Your hole cards	J J
guiney09	Call		20.00	50.00	1730.00
Da_Fish432	Fold
1bigdaddy	Fold
Maj	Fold
yoyo	Raise		80.00	130.00	1890.00
rancid	Raise		280.00	410.00	1650.00
guiney09	Fold
yoyo	Raise		560.00	970.00	1330.00
rancid	All-in		1650.00	2620.00	0.00
yoyo	Call		1300.00	3920.00	30.00
yoyo	Show	Q Q
rancid	Show	J J
Flop
		9 3 2
Turn
		2
River
		2
yoyo	Win	Full House, 2s and Queens	3920.00		3950.00

GREGHOGG

im not folding QQ here against you in a million years!

rancid

In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:

im not folding QQ here against you in a million years!
Posted by GREGHOGG

Not sure if thats bad or good )

can anyone find folds here given situation

Dudeskin8

100bbs deep I'm NEVER folding QQ pre here against anyone let alone you lol

rancid

In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:

100bbs deep I'm NEVER folding QQ pre here against anyone let alone you lol
Posted by Dudeskin8

lol - blind on blind always throw up wierd dynamics where no one is allowed to wake up with a hand in the blinds

grantorino

are you seriously expecting a good player to 4b/f QQ ever? esp bvb

rancid

In Response to x:

are you seriously expecting a good player to 4b/f QQ ever? esp bvb
Posted by grantorino

no )

I just can't credit oppo with QQ+ here, but I think it's bad - by 5 bet shoving I am just bluffing here or will oppo turn up with AK enough

scotty77

You are not 5bet bluffing here.

Just UL to run big hand into big hand.

rancid

In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:

You are not 5bet bluffing here. Just UL to run big hand into big hand.
Posted by scotty77

emmm cheers, kinda makes me feel better

Was thinking afterwards, maybe I should have 3 bet folded

scotty77

No always make a 3bet with a plan.  If you are gonna 3bet fold a hand as strong as JJ then just flat call and set mine....but JJ is too strong a hand to 3bet fold v Thew

The_Don90

this hand looks pretty standard too me

LadyFingrs

So wait. You shoved JJ as a bluff, to try and get him to fold exactly QQ? Or KK as well?

JJ shove is fine, but because he calls with worse not because he folds better...

rancid

In Response to Re: Turning JJ into a bluff is never good v Pro:

No always make a 3bet with a plan.  If you are gonna 3bet fold a hand as strong as JJ then just flat call and set mine....but JJ is too strong a hand to 3bet fold v Thew
Posted by scotty77

My plan was not to fold v oppo given the situation, and just thought he could be 4 betting anything here including AK enough of the time   Given situation and oppo I thought at the time it was fine, afterwards I thought maybe I am just bluffing here, hence the title of fred.   All in all I just was not 100% convinced I made the right play given oppo 4 bet, where he obviously ain’t folding better prs EVER
But from the eyes of Thew, who I would presume has no idea who I am  My 5 bet shove can only be AA/KK/AK – from Pro’s POV is this an auto stack off versus random in this bvb situation - I guess so  

 

Poker_Fail

If I was gonna fold it'd be those Jacks

But Blind vs blind especially against someone like thew you probably have to lose here.