been bugging me

pod1

this hand was in the the open 2 nights ago, think it was pretty standard but i havnt been playing much tourny poker recently and im not sure it was the right spot. jim had just joined the table 5 mins ago with the chip lead in this and i know hes a good solid player. were down to 70 players from 450ish and the money starts at 50, i think im sat about 30th at this point so comfyish. looks like a steal from him in that postion , ob i dont want to flat as almost all flops dont improve me and will be facing multiple over cards so jam thinking he can only call with 1 of about 4 or 5 hands (which i dont think he has). is this too risky at thispoint of a tourny and should i have put this down? 

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pod1	Small blind		200.00	200.00	12609.60
PhilAny2_Q	Big blind		400.00	600.00	8726.63
	Your hole cards	4 4
rorysdad	Fold
leady	Fold
jimHFX	Raise		1600.00	2200.00	38229.83
pod1	All-in		12609.60	14809.60	0.00
PhilAny2_Q	Fold
jimHFX	Call		11209.60	26019.20	27020.23
pod1	Show	4 4
jimHFX	Show	A K
Flop
		7 5 9
Turn
		K
River
		3
jimHFX	Win	Pair of Kings	26019.20		53039.43

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rancid

fold or a very marginal set mine

shoving here with your stack w/44 is very aggro )

DOHHHHHHH

Against this type of player, n 95% of players that play DTD just tighten right up in pots they open, especially when they're making it 4xbb like this.

They're never light, and theyre never folding.

Dudeskin8

Yh pretty easy fold, 4x at 200/400, jesus lol.

pod1

it wasnt dtd in was the open. just felt from that postion it was a steal, played jim a lot of times and as a tkp player i get to know quite a bit about his game. like i say if he doesnt have aa kk qq ak he cant call.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: been bugging me:

it wasnt dtd in was the open. just felt from that postion it was a steal, played jim a lot of times and as a tkp player i get to know quite a bit about his game. like i say if he doesnt have aa kk qq ak he cant call.
Posted by pod1

I'd wager the standard is the same if not better than the Open lol. 

Also would you not be shoving AQ/AJ here as well if you can shove 44 ?

pod1

i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)

rancid

In Response to Re: been bugging me:

i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)
Posted by pod1

If oppo has been opening a lot pots and raising every btn then you should have enough FE to shove

You don't really want a call do you )

pod1

i thought i had and no i didnt!!!! 

rancid

In Response to Re: been bugging me:

i thought i had and no i didnt!!!! 
Posted by pod1

Maybe just thinking oppo can only call with a small percentage of hands without no other prior knowledge of oppo opening range on the button or otherwise, I think is possibly a mistake.

You even state oppo is solid, maybe a greater chance oppo opens narrrow and more chance of being called :S

I know we are not massive deep but do you ever consider 3 bet folding spots like these

pod1

i hadnt considered it tbf. the reason i did it was because he was a good player and was able to put down a mediocre hand. maybe it was a bit risky and too late on to be doing this.

gracie24

Sometimes if the 500 pound gorilla wants your seat-let him have it!!

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: been bugging me:

i think the standard is higher in the open at this stage (hence why i went out lol). dont get your 2nd bit mate, i didnt mention the range i would jam over the top i mentioned the range he had that could call me! :-)
Posted by pod1

If you can shove with 44 then surely shoving with AQ/J/10 even A9/8 is possible so his call is very good against your RANGE.

pod1

thats ok if he knows i will do it with 44 in this pos

IDONKCALLU

standard fold here  and find better spots later on 

rancid

I think you need to see folds 40% of the time here to make it ok versus oppo perceived calling range of JJ+,AKs,AKo

Think the maths is right anyway
someone confirm ?

pod1

dont think its standard idcu, im not shoving for him to call