NL8 is still jinxed for me!

unknown_username · December 2011

Hardly play this level anymore as this just keeps happening over and over and over again!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
lordgee12	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£6.47
DrSharp	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.92
	Your hole cards	6 6
theSMELL	Fold
texasted26	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£4.48
four16	Raise		£0.16	£0.36	£2.76
lordgee12	Call		£0.12	£0.48	£6.35
DrSharp	Call		£0.08	£0.56	£7.84
texasted26	Call		£0.08	£0.64	£4.40
Flop
		10 5 6
lordgee12	Bet		£0.08	£0.72	£6.27
DrSharp	Raise		£0.32	£1.04	£7.52
texasted26	Raise		£1.68	£2.72	£2.72
four16	Fold
lordgee12	Fold
DrSharp	Raise		£3.44	£6.16	£4.08
texasted26	All-in		£2.72	£8.88	£0.00
DrSharp	Call		£0.64	£9.52	£3.44
DrSharp	Show	6 6
texasted26	Show	10 9
Turn
		5
River
		10
texasted26	Win	Full House, 10s and 5s	£8.80

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
leadbitter	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.96
Jellywell	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£5.79
	Your hole cards	Q K
g8s8m9	Fold
DrSharp	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£7.52
imbluffing	Fold
dgw69	Fold
leadbitter	Call		£0.20	£0.56	£3.76
Jellywell	Call		£0.16	£0.72	£5.63
Flop
		J 10 9
leadbitter	Check
Jellywell	Check
DrSharp	Bet		£0.64	£1.36	£6.88
leadbitter	Call		£0.64	£2.00	£3.12
Jellywell	Fold
Turn
		A
leadbitter	Bet		£0.96	£2.96	£2.16
DrSharp	All-in		£6.88	£9.84	£0.00
leadbitter	All-in		£2.16	£12.00	£0.00
DrSharp	Unmatched bet		£3.76	£8.24	£3.76
leadbitter	Show	Q 9
DrSharp	Show	Q K
River
		K
leadbitter	Win	Straight to the Ace	£3.81		£3.81
DrSharp	Win	Straight to the Ace	£3.81

rancid · December 2011

You don't want to play a level where your always getting it in good

Would you prefer getting it in bad :S

Serious ?

unknown_username · January 2012

In Response to Re: NL8 is still jinxed for me!:

You don't want to play a level where your always getting it in good Would you prefer getting it in bad :S Serious ?
Posted by rancid

Lol, its no good getting it in good and getting outdrawn pretty much every time. I am seriously thinking about putting NL8 in Area 51! My spreadsheet shows i make a very good profit margin at NL4 and a very good profit margin at NL10 but NL8 i have made about £2 in probably 4 or 5 months playing there due to these type of hands. It just seems to be my nemesis, cant beat it! I even try getting it in bad and i dont hit! No matter what i do i never come out of it well at all. lol

jugglegeek · January 2012

I think there is some logic to NL8 been harder to beat than NL4 and NL10. NL4 is obviously full of donks and fish because it's the lowest level there is. So novice players who are just learning will most likely be playing NL4. The other thing is that when players join Sky poker they get £10 free as a joining up bonus. Many players new to poker will just take this £10 and put in on a NL10 table. However the only people who would ever be playing NL8 are players who have made enough proffit at NL4 for their bankroll to allow the level up.

unknown_username · January 2012

In Response to Re: NL8 is still jinxed for me!:

I think there is some logic to NL8 been harder to beat than NL4 and NL10. NL4 is obviously full of donks and fish because it's the lowest level there is. So novice players who are just learning will most likely be playing NL4. The other thing is that when players join Sky poker they get £10 free as a joining up bonus. Many players new to poker will just take this £10 and put in on a NL10 table. However the only people who would ever be playing NL8 are players who have made enough proffit at NL4 for their bankroll to allow the level up.
Posted by jugglegeek

Its an interesting post jungle. I agree that NL8 is harder than NL10 and obviously at NL4. Some nice points as to why this is the case, i usually get shot down for suggesting this.

NL8 isnt hard enough for me to think i am out of my depth but i just dont seem to run good at this level, hands dont hold up too often in my experience. I dont tilt too much, and i understand and embrace the variance in the game. The poorer players would never return if they never won so its nice to get outdrawn occassionally, it keeps the wheel of the game turning and ensures certain players keep coming back for more.

NL8 seems different, i dont run at all well, never have done at this level. I know a sample over a few months is not big enough for me to trudge my way over to area 51 with this (yet) but it has started to just wind me up a little. I have put similar threads on this before but it just keeps happening to the point i dont wander off to NL8 that often now due to this. I have gone over HH and although i do make mistakes, i have no problem 'getting it in good' but the miracles keep coming!

Dudeskin8 · January 2012

Not a brag by any means but the last time I played cash I found NL8 to be super good for me in terms of getting my money in ahead/awful players etc and would always choose it over NL10.

In terms of concentration of REGs/nits I'd say NL10 is miles worse imo, I even remember sessions playing NL8 and browsing NL10 tables where it was 4/5 regs to a table sometimes 6 lol.

These hands you post above are mega cool for you as it shows you're playing very well and needing to get super unlucky to lose, and you're not a silly billy so know variance will level out long term, one word matey VOLUME !!!

unknown_username · January 2012

Been a better session today.

Ok, first hand wasnt played great if its in a vacuum but i had my read and it worked in the end.

HAND 1.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
wolfiehoga	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.17
DrSharp	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£10.77
	Your hole cards	2 2
cougar26	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£6.74
x	Raise		£0.32	£0.52	£8.12
wolfiehoga	Fold
DrSharp	Call		£0.24	£0.76	£10.53
cougar26	Call		£0.24	£1.00	£6.50
Flop
		5 2 A
DrSharp	Check
cougar26	Check
x	Bet		£0.75	£1.75	£7.37
DrSharp	Raise		£2.00	£3.75	£8.53
cougar26	Fold
x	Call		£1.25	£5.00	£6.12
Turn
		9
DrSharp	Check
x	Check
River
		A
DrSharp	Check
x	Bet		£5.00	£10.00	£1.12
DrSharp	All-in		£8.53	£18.53	£0.00
x	All-in		£1.12	£19.65	£0.00
DrSharp	Unmatched bet		£2.41	£17.24	£2.41
DrSharp	Show	2 2
x	Show	10 A
DrSharp	Win	Full House, 2s and Aces	£15.94

unknown_username · January 2012

HAND 2.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£5.97
bentley12	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£5.66
aljeanfami	Sit out
	Your hole cards	3 3
DrSharp	Raise		£0.24	£0.36	£15.39
cougar26	Fold
JFLUSH	Call		£0.24	£0.60	£2.67
x	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£5.77
bentley12	Fold
Flop
		6 3 8
x	Check
DrSharp	Bet		£0.64	£1.44	£14.75
JFLUSH	Call		£0.64	£2.08	£2.03
x	Call		£0.64	£2.72	£5.13
Turn
		J
x	Check
DrSharp	All-in		£14.75	£17.47	£0.00
JFLUSH	Fold
x	All-in		£5.13	£22.60	£0.00
DrSharp	Unmatched bet		£9.62	£12.98	£9.62
x	Show	9 A
DrSharp	Show	3 3
River
		4
DrSharp	Win	Three 3s	£12.00

unknown_username · January 2012

HAND 3.

Not sure about the shove here but villain obviously had something and is usually quite aggro so i thought why not.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cougar26	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.59
x	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£6.90
JFLUSH	Big blind		£0.08	£0.20	£3.12
	Your hole cards	9 9
JFLUSH	Raise		£0.08	£0.28	£3.04
wolfiehoga	Fold
bentley12	Fold
DrSharp	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£9.18
cougar26	Call		£0.12	£0.56	£7.47
x	Call		£0.08	£0.64	£6.82
Flop
		2 5 9
cougar26	Check
x	Bet		£0.16	£0.80	£6.66
JFLUSH	Call		£0.16	£0.96	£2.88
DrSharp	Raise		£0.72	£1.68	£8.46
cougar26	Fold
x	Call		£0.56	£2.24	£6.10
JFLUSH	Fold
Turn
		4
x	Bet		£0.64	£2.88	£5.46
DrSharp	All-in		£8.46	£11.34	£0.00
x	All-in		£5.46	£16.80	£0.00
DrSharp	Unmatched bet		£2.36	£14.44	£2.36
x	Show	9 A
DrSharp	Show	9 9
River
		8
DrSharp	Win	Three 9s	£13.35

Dudeskin8 · January 2012

1. 100% bet turn, why would you not? If he calls flop c/r he calls turn bet of about £3. Not betting turn is burning money longetrm.

2. Not sure about turn bet he has 2x pot bet behind so just bet standard 3/4-80% so £2.30 get rest on river.

unknown_username · January 2012

HAND 4.

These hands havent been holding up for months at NL8. Just unfortunate he didnt have a bigger stack but it plays itself.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
FLOOK	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£10.04
drewgill	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£2.48
	Your hole cards	K K
DrSharp	Raise		£0.32	£0.44	£8.20
cougar26	Fold
rubberball	Fold
FLOOK	Fold
drewgill	Call		£0.24	£0.68	£2.24
Flop
		4 8 10
drewgill	Check
DrSharp	Bet		£0.51	£1.19	£7.69
drewgill	All-in		£2.24	£3.43	£0.00
DrSharp	Call		£1.73	£5.16	£5.96
drewgill	Show	Q A
DrSharp	Show	K K
Turn
		9
River
		8
DrSharp	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 8s	£4.77

unknown_username · January 2012

I knew i'd get mullered for the first hand, and rightly so but i had been very aggro on this table and had been played back at in the last orbit or so especially by this particular villain. I had a strong feeling i would get the lot if i showed weakness. Obviously i bet this normally but i had been shoved on after c-betting a couple of times and had to fold and also been floated once or twice, was hoping for that to happen. Not optimal, but i got there.

unknown_username · January 2012

This is the reason why i shove the turn in the earlier hands. NL8 always hurts you on the river without fail.

My only mistake was probably the call on the end but did i have to call it?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BBLOULOU	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.76
woooosh	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.80
	Your hole cards	6 6
oozecookin	Fold
deluca	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£4.19
DrSharp	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£7.96
janek	Fold
BBLOULOU	Raise		£0.12	£0.40	£4.64
woooosh	Fold
deluca	Call		£0.08	£0.48	£4.11
DrSharp	Call		£0.08	£0.56	£7.88
Flop
		8 Q 6
BBLOULOU	Bet		£0.08	£0.64	£4.56
deluca	Call		£0.08	£0.72	£4.03
DrSharp	Raise		£0.68	£1.40	£7.20
BBLOULOU	Call		£0.60	£2.00	£3.96
deluca	Fold
Turn
		3
BBLOULOU	Bet		£0.08	£2.08	£3.88
DrSharp	Raise		£1.70	£3.78	£5.50
BBLOULOU	Call		£1.62	£5.40	£2.26
River
		K
BBLOULOU	All-in		£2.26	£7.66	£0.00
DrSharp	Call		£2.26	£9.92	£3.24
BBLOULOU	Show	5 A
DrSharp	Show	6 6
BBLOULOU	Win	Flush to the Ace	£9.17

NL8 is still jinxed for me!

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