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wheres it gone!!

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  • edited January 2012
    http://www.groomi.net/2012/01/

    So it seems our friend glifulose hasnt had a good month, despite having hem type software. The plot thickens.....
  • edited January 2012
    skyscraper is used to download HH's and you can import them into HEM after converting them into a different written format, in order for someone to track their results.

    skyscraper on its own DOES NOT make a HUD work.

    no one has tried to decieve people with regards to skyscraper: HEM DOES NOT support sky poker.

    skyscraper was hosted on a public website with no password protection, it was not hidden from people.

    if someone looked hard enough they could find it on their own. the person who created it was very specific that it would be an open project and free to use for anyone.

    the earliest i have heard about a HUD was yesterday, by glifulose who apaprently made one 4-5days ago, he used to be a programmer/coder i believe.




    *edit* the hh's that you can download are solely ones that you have been dealt holecards in that are accessible through your sky poker account under the Hand History section
  • edited January 2012
    If skypoker domt approve it then surely its cheating? U ban everyone thats using it then ill -insert smth ridic here-
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    skyscraper is used to download HH's and you can import them into HEM after converting them into a different written format, in order for someone to track their results. skyscraper on its own DOES NOT make a HUD work. no one has tried to decieve people with regards to skyscraper: HEM DOES NOT support sky poker. skyscraper was hosted on a public website with no password protection, it was not hidden from people. if someone looked hard enough they could find it on their own. the person who created it was very specific that it would be an open project and free to use for anyone. the earliest i have heard about a HUD was yesterday, by glifulose who apaprently made one 4-5days ago, he used to be a programmer/coder i believe. *edit* the hh's that you can download are solely ones that you have been dealt holecards in that are accessible through your sky poker account under the Hand History section
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    it seems, it would take so little to convert real time hand historys in to a real time heads up display
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    skyscraper is used to download HH's and you can import them into HEM after converting them into a different written format, in order for someone to track their results. skyscraper on its own DOES NOT make a HUD work. no one has tried to decieve people with regards to skyscraper: HEM DOES NOT support sky poker. skyscraper was hosted on a public website with no password protection, it was not hidden from people. if someone looked hard enough they could find it on their own. the person who created it was very specific that it would be an open project and free to use for anyone. the earliest i have heard about a HUD was yesterday, by glifulose who apaprently made one 4-5days ago, he used to be a programmer/coder i believe. *edit* the hh's that you can download are solely ones that you have been dealt holecards in that are accessible through your sky poker account under the Hand History section
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS BEFORE ADDING ANY MORE POSTS
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS BEFORE ADDING ANY MORE POSTS
    Posted by CoxyLboro

    The process for obtaining stats on other players which allow you to potentially gain an edge is irrelevant, its the principle. 

    It's no different to insider dealing imo. 

  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : it seems that with so much to gain, it would take so little to convert real time hand historys in to a real time heads up display
    Posted by BeccaBlack
     
    i only use HEM1 and that does not detect Sky, but apparently with HEM2 it could recognise that a poker client was running but now which poker client it was. SS was NEVER taken past the stage of d/ling hh's soyou can import them into poker databases by the people who created it.

    personally i think HUDs will ruin skypoker and i think its so incredibly dumb.narrowminded of people to post screenshots/videos of it.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : The process for obtaining stats on other players which allow you to potentially gain an edge is irrelevant, its the principle.  It's no different to insider dealing imo. 
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    I'm just saying, read this so you are in complete understanding what the software does, just so everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet
  • edited January 2012

    i now understand this...

    some time ago a thread was started on skypoker forum seeking to become the longest thread in the world.  is this a new attempt?

  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : I'm just saying, read this so you are in complete understanding what the software does, just so everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    Understood, and in my research this morning that was the conclusion I came to.  
  • edited January 2012
    I'm surprised this (a workaround to convert sky hands to a standard text format to enable hud use) hasn't happened before, and if it's not actually happening now it probably will sooner or later. With traffic growing and the games are getting bigger it's only a matter of time.

    Using HEM isn't cheating imo, you only have data from hands you've played, in theory you could work out all the stats yourself using pen and paper.

    I do agree that a hud gives an advantge, particularly in cash games. I'm happy with Sky's current hud free games, but if they come in I won't lose any sleep over it.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Understood, and in my research this morning that was the conclusion I came to.  
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    Not everyone will be quite as proactive as yourself, and take at face value peoples comments in this thread that have no substantiated evidence whatsoever. Until everyone is aware of how and why it works, I dont believe the ethics of the software should be discussed in this thread.
  • edited January 2012
    exactly gary i was just about to say that you could do it manually, but it would be massively impractical time wise.
    SS is just incredibly more efficient that a human at doing it and since people are playing tens of thousands of hands a month it makes alot of sense to get a script to do it.

    FWIW i am 100% sure that other regs past/present on sky have done something similar, maybe slightly different method or using different database software to this but have kept it to themselves
  • edited January 2012
    So I can use this skyscraper and dl my hh, and then import this into HEM2

    But I though HEM does not work inconjunction with sky poker tables

    So it does work with sky poker but it just does not download the HH, which makes it useless.

    Now there is a way of dl HH from sky poker, we can use HEM2

    But WARNING! THIS IS 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE "SKYSCRAPER"

    If it asks for your log in to sky poker, be very careful TBFH

    Not scaremongering, it's very possible they can rob your log ins
  • edited January 2012

    You have always been able to download your OWN HH's from Sky Poker. Nothing has changed. What people do with those HH's, as to making them easier to read, or collating them, or whatever, has always been the perogative of the player, Sky Poker have no control over that.

    Players can ONLY download their OWN HH's, no matter what software they apply to it.

    If someone has spent time creating some sort of HUD, it was done without the approval or knowledge of Sky Poker, & in fact, I doubt Sky Poker have any power to do anything about it. 

    However, A HUD does not, it seems, a winning player make.....
     
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    However, A HUD does not, it seems, a winning player make.....  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Quoted for emphasis
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    You have always been able to download your OWN HH's from Sky Poker. Nothing has changed. What people do with those HH's, as to making them easier to read, or collating them, or whatever, has always been the perogative of the player, Sky Poker have no control over that. Players can ONLY download their OWN HH's, no matter what software they apply to it. If someone has spent time creating some sort of HUD, it was done without the approval or knowledge of Sky Poker, & in fact, I doubt Sky Poker have any power to do anything about it.  However, A HUD does not, it seems, a winning player make.....  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Seems like a lot of fuss to know lol_fold has a high VPIP :)
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Quoted for emphasis
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    Learning how to use these HUDS is a job in itself, let alone trying to learn how to play poker at the same time :D
  • edited January 2012

    Not good for people who already struggle to trust online poker :(


    I wonder who/how many people have been using it & for how long..... ? 







  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : Learning how to use these HUDS is a job in itself, let alone trying to learn how to play poker at the same time :D
    Posted by rancid
    If you were able to build one yourself, you'd think you'd be able to maximise its usefulness.

    Apparently not.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : If you were able to build one yourself, you'd think you'd be able to maximise its usefulness. Apparently not.
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    No good someone giving you information on a player if you don't know what to do with the information to make you money is it

  • edited January 2012
    All this bull****  ruins poker. Im only saying.
    Pokers supposed to be fun, so enjoy it !    As said in previous posts, all these stats could be done manually so its hardly cheating.   Some people obviously have too much time on their hands ?    GL at the tables.
  • edited January 2012
    its quite clearly not cheating. every1 has access to that data and the people who want to put effort into maximising that data are free to do so and will in return for all the effort get the most out of the games.
  • edited January 2012
    It all looks very complicated.  I'm sticking with the Hot-O-Meter for now.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    It all looks very complicated.  I'm sticking with the Hot-O-Meter for now.
    Posted by Machka

    OK, If machka thinks it's compliacted.... "Then I'm out"  ( said in a David Ballentyne scottish accent )


  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!! : OK, If machka thinks it's compliacted.... "Then I'm out"  ( said in a David Ballentyne scottish accent )
    Posted by JockBMW
    "This HEM product is utterly ridiculous so I'm oot"
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    Hi guys Just to add I also haven't deleted the original thread.  We have had issues inthe past where threads have dissapeared from the forum due to unknown reasons.  Some of the missing posts have been qyite emotional subjects as well. I can only say that I will ask the question of the powers that be and see if we can get an answer for you. And Annie.......  got your stats , I'm gunning for you on the DYM's ;o)
    Posted by JockBMW
    You'll need a Ace up your sleeve like Orford.?   p.s.   Women's Logic in poker is unpredictable.!
  • edited January 2012
    i cant even spell hem, let alone use it!!
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: wheres it gone!!:
    i cant even spell hem, let alone use it!!
    Posted by pod1
    But you did. You cheated, didn't you? You used the spell-checker tool.

  • edited January 2012
    has any1 tried to download HH's? i cant get it to work....

    firefox launches but just stays blank
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