Attention All DYM Players

SHANXTA

Can I please urge any players who spot ANY collusion in ANY DYM to please report it.

Over the last couple of days what I have seen has been slightly shocking, from a player not bothering to report it "because they cashed anyway so what does it matter", to a player openly admitting it this evening in the chat box, i can only assume that they thought what they were doing was allowed.

Whilst I appreciate that this will only have a small impact as only a small percentage of players will read the forum, even if it urges one person to report a case then it's done some good.

Lambert180

+1 Shanxta

I don't play them very often anymore but I always report things like that. I've also reported a couple of people who were hurling abuse at me cos they lost a hand against me, and got them chat banned lol

wynne1938

What sort of behaviour are you looking for?

TommyD

i'll keep my eyes open.

gilbAA

SHANXTA - Did you report the players involved? What level were these players playing? 

Wynne1938 - Look out for two or more players who appear to be working together. One spot would be chip dumping where one player intentionally loses their chips to another player e.g. Colluding player 1 is big stack and purposely loses their chips to put colluding player 2 who is short stacked back into the game. 

rancid

+1 to this

 

I have seen some terrible examples of this at £3 & £5

 

Very hard to prove if there’s no chat

logdon

Hubby says they use Mobile Phones to tell each other what cards they have and the best hand takes on the Player.?
Thus eliminating opposition.  No need for chat box chat.  
  Please be careful of accusing players, as I got tangled up in collusion accusations myself just by chatting innocently thinking it was fun banter.  I took out the low stack and he accused me of Collusion with the other players.   He told me in the chat box he was going to complain to Sky and report me.  I think he just didn't believe I had AA and wanted his money back. 
As I had done nothing wrong I thought no more about it, until Sky Banned me.   I was not given any chance to put my side of events or explain anything and have since campaigned to get Sky to be more open when banning players. 

I'm still angry (as you would be)  for being given the ban which branded me a cheat. 
I play poker for fun, not money and my account would have verified this had they taken the trouble to look.
The players that say don't bother reporting it as nothing will be done,  are wrong.  
The trouble is the wrong players get accused while the true perpetrators get away with it. 
 
 If Hubby is right how can Sky stop what they are doing. ?   Annie x     

bigflop1

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Hubby says they use Mobile Phones to tell each other what cards they have and the best hand takes on the Player.? Thus eliminating opposition.  No need for chat box chat.     Please be careful of accusing players, as I got tangled up in collusion accusations myself just by chatting innocently thinking it was fun banter.  I took out the low stack and he accused me of Collusion with the other players.   He told me in the chat box he was going to complain to Sky and report me.  I think he just didn't believe I had AA and wanted his money back.  As I had done nothing wrong I thought no more about it, until Sky Banned me.   I was not given any chance to put my side of events or explain anything and have since campaigned to get Sky to be more open when banning players.  I'm still angry (as you would be)  for being given the ban which branded me a cheat.  I play poker for fun, not money and my account would have verified this had they taken the trouble to look. The players that say don't bother reporting it as nothing will be done,  are wrong.   The trouble is the wrong players get accused while the true perpetrators get away with it.     If Hubby is right how can Sky stop what they are doing. ?   Annie x     
Posted by logdon

even easier than mobile.. facebook chat/msn would be quicker and cheaper... i have played alot of low level dyms last few weeks and havnt seen any chip dumping!!

Poker_Fail

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In Response to Re: Attention All DYM Players : even easier than mobile.. facebook chat/msn would be quicker and cheaper... i have played alot of low level dyms last few weeks and havnt seen any chip dumping!!
Posted by bigflop1

Or even Xbox party chat, or whatever the PS3 version is

wenelinho

is this actually happening? never noticed it before, but gilber now you mention it i have seen a large stack raise to the small stack then fold when the small stack goes all in.  I did think whats the point of raising then folding for an extra 200-300 or  whatever it was?!?!  

ill keep an eye out for it now i know these DYM's are hard enough without people cheating as well 

scotty77

cases like this are rare, but they do happen

on another poker site I believe there was a mass ring of Chinese/Far East players who would all sit at DON (double or nothing, same as DYM) and grind out a tiny edge, but these were at like the 100$-1k$ games so obviously even a small edge meant a large amount of monty over time.

the best thing to do is do as the OP says. report any suspect behaviour.

spornybol

I HAVE TO BE HONEST I`V NEVER REALLY NOTICED BUT WILL KEEP EYE OPEN, I ALSO HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN I SAW MY BRO ON A DYM (30 OR60p) I REGGED BUT THE FIRST THING I DID WAS SAY SAID PLAYER WAS MY BRO AND THERE IS NOW LOVE LOST WHEN WERE ON SAME TABLE, WE WANT TO KNOCK EACH OTHER OUT, ALTHOUGH I DO AVOID IF I SEE HIM NOW BUT HE VERY RARELY PLAYS NOW.  

Any2Suited

I agree with you sporny,i've played/come across my brother on this site in multi table tourneys, and nothing would give me greater pleasure than knocking him out of tourney even more than a low level cashing!Never played him on dyms, but i imagine any moves we tried to make against each other would look suspect just because we would make iffier(is that a word?)calls against each other!! But as op says if you see any iffy calling down on dyms or just something that doesn't seem right call the customer care/complaints people.Simples.

unknown_username

It did start to occur to me when i was playing lately at some DYM's that some tactics seemed odd. However, my naivety didn't even consider collusion. I thought it was just very poor play. You can tell i'm relatively new to the game! I shall report if i feel aware of oddities and leave it to experts to judge and take action. If there is cheating going on then 'silly' play may ,in fact, be collusion. Let's stamp it out. It can do no good. Cheers for making me aware of the possibility.
                            
                                            profman15

MP33

I undertsnad some ppl are new players and don,t understand sometimes , but i tend to make a note of there names if i suspect anything and then watch to see if they play in the same games again, then if see a similar pattern I,ll report there alias,s

In the year or 2 that DYM,s have been going i,ve only had to do it twice though , so wouldn,t get to paranoid that its rife or anything

MP 

JockBMW

Sometimes what appears to be blatant collusion is just a mistake.

I was playing a DYM a few months ago,  two players got in going preflop,  somehow there was one player with 15 chips left by the river and the other guy had about 2,500 chips.   it was on the bubble and and I had around 1300 chips.  The guy with the big stack checked the river, the short stack bet his last 15 chips into a 1800 pot.... and the big stack folded.  Needless to say I was less than pleased.

I reported it to customer services, turns out these two players had never played togeather before.  They were watched for a while and never seemed to play togeather again.  It was just a misclick or the guy wasn't paying attention. maybe he was multi tabling.  

Anyway , it's woth taking note that if you do suspect someone, report it to customer care, they can look beyond the "one Game" incident that you see and find out if there is something going on .  

hogan2089

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I reported it to customer services, turns out these two players had never played togeather before.  They were watched for a while and never seemed to play togeather again  " 


How do you  know this ?  i  thought any  information of   collusion/ cheating  investigations  was  kept  private , under the guise of   the data protection act .

mkgunner

just seen 2,checked sharkscope and they play on same table all the time

SHANXTA

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just seen 2,checked sharkscope and they play on same table all the time
Posted by mkgunner

Report it, may be innocent as if they are regs then with not many games running during the daytime they will be in the same games.

Cust care will look in to it though

mkgunner

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In Response to Re: Attention All DYM Players : Report it, may be innocent as if they are regs then with not many games running during the daytime they will be in the same games. Cust care will look in to it though
Posted by SHANXTA

will do m8

EvilPingu

Bump,

I'm in mini view so can't see chat box, although had this hand just now, which is really strange. Have already sent to customer care to have a look. Really shouldn't be a fold option for the small blind in this situation tbh.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Player A	Small blind		200.00	200.00	5000.00
Player B	Big blind		125.00	325.00	0.00
	Your hole cards	10 4
18OPOWER	Fold
EvilPingu	Fold
Player A	Fold
Player B	Muck
Player B	Win		250.00		250.00
Player A	Return		75.00	0.00	5075.00

Poker_Fail

Why are you playing the £3.30s and £2.25s Shanxta? I thought you were an £11 reg?

SHANXTA

@ pingu. yeah it's a huge software fault, it should be auto called, have bought it up b4, but nothing was done, maybe you might have better luck?

@ fail. yeah i was, then decimated my roll late 2011 with being lazy / vegas / holidays / run bad / play bad! now using uber strict BRM but with grinding / C4P i'll be back there early Feb

Poker_Fail

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@ pingu. yeah it's a huge software fault, it should be auto called, have bought it up b4, but nothing was done, maybe you might have better luck? @ fail. yeah i was, then decimated my roll late 2011 with being lazy / vegas / holidays / run bad / play bad! now using uber strict BRM but with grinding / C4P i'll be back there early Feb
Posted by SHANXTA

Well GL grinding it back (not that you need it, just a matter of time)

i might have to drop a level soon, i'm currently playing the £11s but have been running and playing bad at cash which has screwed my roll too

bigal36903

i have noticed this a couple times like the big stack not callin the 150 chips to knock someone out even though they have 6k chip stack.  maybe they r not paying attention. i know one time some one folded to me by mistake not callin 80 chips when blinds were 1k2k..   he just didnt notice . he saw i had raised and had it on auto fold to a raise. myself i have not killed someone off by misclicking..

there are some individuals who do collude on dyms, yes , this we have to aggree.. but proving it is different.  it is when you come accross new guy/girls that always seem to play against each other then you need to watch..  as i am a reg at many levels of dym i know the regs..

Dudeskin8

This seemed strange, one's location was carluke other HAMPTON.

EDIT : Chrome always does it the worst time lol will try again later

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dudeskin8	Small blind		200.00	200.00	1600.00
moony787	Big blind		400.00	600.00	4960.00
	Your hole cards	https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">8 https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">6
GOFISH93	Fold
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Dudeskin8	Fold
moony787	Call		400.00	1800.00	4560.00
Flop
		https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">Q https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="diamond">4 https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="club">8
moony787	Check
jaguar342	All-in		480.00	2280.00	0.00
moony787	Fold
jaguar342	Muck
jaguar342	Win		1800.00		1800.00
jaguar342	Return		480.00	0.00	2280.00

AMYBR

I dont mean to be out of order but I think sky need to take abit of accountability software wise.

It just shouldnt be able to happen. 

unknown_username

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Bump, I'm in mini view so can't see chat box, although had this hand just now, which is really strange. Have already sent to customer care to have a look. Really shouldn't be a fold option for the small blind in this situation tbh. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Player A Small blind   200.00 200.00 5000.00 Player B Big blind   125.00 325.00 0.00   Your hole cards 10 4       18OPOWER Fold         EvilPingu Fold         Player A Fold         Player B Muck         Player B Win   250.00   250.00 Player A Return   75.00 0.00 5075.00
Posted by EvilPingu

Hi Pingu.
The only thing I can think on this one is that Player A doesnt realise that if he makes the call any excess chips are returned and the most he can lose is 125 chips.

Some player who are on the small blind think by calling they are risking another 200 chips, when in reality they get returned. Hope that makes sense?

bigal36903

or it cus be a simple misclick.  seen it happen .. done it myself..