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WWYD? Pocket Queens, early in the tournament...
OK, after the last post I put up like this I thought it was time for another hand discussion. Here's the setting.
Double Stack Tournament, Sky Poker. £11 buy-in. 4,000 starting chips, 10 minute blinds.
Stack sizes: You - 6,455 Opponent (Button) - 7,970. Other players at the table vary between 1100 and 6800, but this is largely irrelevant to the hand in question.
Your image: Loose Aggressive.
Opponent's image: Good regular player who you've played many times on the site. They know your game, you know theirs. They're solid but clever, you're loose but clever. If you're not a clever poker player, just pretend you are for a minute
Setup: You've built a decent stack in the early goings of the tournament when the following hand comes up. You've been raising a lot preflop and are happy to see QQ in the cut off. The play folds to you and you make it 3x the BB to go (300) and the button, a the regular, who is capable of making plays, now makes it 800.
The blinds get out of the way and the action is back on you.
(Oh, and we're assuming a fold is out of the question with stacks so deep...)
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I dont think a call is the way to go as your opponent has position on you and could represent an ace or king on the flop and you would have to fold. Yes you would only put up a small amount of your stack but QQ is a premium hand.
I voted for re-raising to 2400. This sends a message to him and if called means you can define his hand to a smaller range, and still have roughly 4000 chips or 35/40 bbs.
I think it depends on how many chips you are willing to risk. Other than that just push the lot in, but that then lends itself to no return if they have kk, or aa.
col
If I was to raise it to 2400 with nealry half my chips in the middle id feel pot commited and would put all my chips in after the flop anyway.
I dont like to call as col says opponent has position on you, and could easily then bluff you off whats a great starting hand.
So im going all in, hoping for a fold, if not just praying im not agaisnt kk or aa.
Gareth
The opponent is a solid player and raises to 800 8x BB your gonna suspect a highish PP/AK, but, you still need to find out where you are, calling I feel would be dangerous always chance of a A or K hitting, reraise to between 15-2400, ask the question, because you are lose aggresive, your oppo is probs expecting the reraise, but must be wary of the fact you may well have a good hand, see what your oppo does, then re-evaluate, s/he calls, you get a flop, see what the flop brings then decide, if s/he re-reraises, fold, s/he is a solid player and very likely to have a bigger pair than you, simples
then if it comes such a flop i go all in, if the flop is a high flop or a paired flop then i usually ease a little.
What will call your shove? A small set that's what. Nothing else will. Would you call with anything else in this kind of tournament?
If no A or K flops, you should be value betting. Let the ace-rag pay to hit his ace, but don't blow your tournament against the small set.
flop comes down below q ,
1/2 bet pot ,
by his reaction u know if hes kk / aa he will go over top .
u still have enough chips 2 fold .
* Which of those hands will he fold to a reraise of 2500?
* Which ones will he fold if we shove all in?
The tournament itself imo defines the play here - its not a shove fest tourney which would probably alter by decision.
Don't really think this is close tbh
If he has like AQ or w/e and we expect him to 3b fold, then we kill our value from everything worse and only expect to be shoved on by better, then what is the purpose of our 4b? - cause its clearly not a bluff, but if we're folding to a shove and never expect to be flat called then its not for value either.
4bing to "find out where we're at" is really, really not good.
Flat call /> 4b/call > fold > 4b/fold
Even against a solid TAG you beat alot of his 3bet range IP. (AJs+, 88+)
KK/AA its a cooler, you'll be called by AQ+ and JJ/TT if he thinks you're LAG.
Calling is sooooo weak.
if i shove and my opponent folds then great,i have picked up a good amount of chips.If he calls the chance are i am no worse than racing so i am happy.
More than likely he's probably got 1 over card and if the ace or king comes on the flop, possibly a value bet isn't out of the question? Of course your "donk betting" here but it could give you a good read on your opponents cards, and if he comes over the top you're looking at 40-50 big blings left in your stack.
Im new on here and poker so please reply without looking down your nose at me
Edit.
Also if he's knows your a loose player, maybe he's putting you on nothing or is baiting you to re-raise him, and he's got the bullets or cowboys.
A donk-bet is when you call a raise OOP and then lead out on the next street
I'd still be shoving pre though! But then I'm bad.
Like i said still pretty new to this... Offering a opinion.
idk, vs described villain i'm probably still flatting, but I definately don't hate shoving.