Playing overpairs

ZedsDeadBa

I'm forever doing this and coming unstuck, so clearly an incorrect play!

So how should I be playing an o/p?

Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Booker1966	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.94
ZedsDeadBa	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
pipess	Fold
FADAM	Fold
AlansLuck	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£2.09
LFrancis	Call		£0.08	£0.22	£5.28
Booker1966	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Raise		£0.20	£0.42	£3.80
AlansLuck	Call		£0.16	£0.58	£1.93
LFrancis	Call		£0.16	£0.74	£5.12
Flop
		4 J 9
ZedsDeadBa	Check
AlansLuck	Bet		£0.56	£1.30	£1.37
LFrancis	Fold
ZedsDeadBa	Raise		£1.49	£2.79	£2.31
AlansLuck	All-in		£1.37	£4.16	£0.00
ZedsDeadBa	Call		£0.44	£4.60	£1.87
ZedsDeadBa	Show	Q Q
AlansLuck	Show	J J
Turn
		K
River
		6
AlansLuck	Win	Three Jacks	£4.25		£4.25

layer Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
Booker1966  Small blind   £0.02  £0.02  £1.94
ZedsDeadBa  Big blind   £0.04  £0.06  £4.00
   Your hole cards 
Q
Q
      
pipess  Fold    
FADAM  Fold    
AlansLuck  Raise   £0.08  £0.14  £2.09
LFrancis  Call   £0.08  £0.22  £5.28
Booker1966  Fold    
ZedsDeadBa  Raise   £0.20  £0.42  £3.80
AlansLuck  Call   £0.16  £0.58  £1.93
LFrancis  Call   £0.16  £0.74  £5.12
Flop
     
4
J
9
      
ZedsDeadBa  Check    
AlansLuck  Bet   £0.56  £1.30  £1.37
LFrancis  Fold    
ZedsDeadBa  Raise   £1.49  £2.79  £2.31
AlansLuck  All-in   £1.37  £4.16  £0.00
ZedsDeadBa  Call   £0.44  £4.60  £1.87
ZedsDeadBa  Show 
Q
Q
AlansLuck  Show 
J
J
Turn
     
K

AlansLuck  Win  Three Jacks  £4.25   £4
River

6

Dudeskin8

3bet more pre they make it 8p you make it 20p, I'd go up to 30p minimum here.

Flop is just cooler.

rancid

raise pre to a lot - bash it till it says 40p or something


flop is just sigh

unknown_username

Only thing wrong is pre as others have said.

Make it 30p at least.

You can't fold flop. Just run better!

TINTIN

its already been said but you have to raise more pre flop.an extra 16p on top of the original 8p bet scare nxt to nothing away. look to make it around 40p n dont be scared about other hands not calling you. more times than not you will get a caller n you can take them to value town. 

ignoring outcome of hand, i wouldnt be checking that flop after 3 betting pre. get money into it as its a drawing board.

te result is just a cooler, i play it diff but result will be the same

Dudeskin8

Oh yeah just seen you open checked flop, what the hell are you doing? 

You 3bet and get a J high flop you bloody bet it yourself !

grantorino

raise more pre

b/c flop

IDONKCALLU

raise more pre to about 50p 

ZedsDeadBa

Ok fine, I take on board all your replies. 

However there is a but, I have been running so bad for months now that what I agree should be bigger pre, has been costing me too much money lately.

AA andd KK fine but JJ and QQ is almost always seeing an Axx Kxx flop and my confidence in doing the right thing is shot to pieces. Also keeping the pots a little smaller to start with has been the only only way to avoid losing whats left of my bankroll.

I know this sounds like I'm playing scared but I promised my-self when I started I was only ever loading just the once. If I go bust I stop playing poker, Fullstop!

As regards to the check on the turn, I had two to act after me and was sure one would do the betting for me, allowing the raise. So although my head is a shed atm and nervous of what the flop brings, I'm still happy to get it all in as soon as I see no overs whilst to my mind limiting my preflop exposure.

Z.

ZedsDeadBa

In Response to Re: Playing overpairs:

Ok fine, I take on board all your replies.  However there is a but, I have been running so bad for months now that what I agree should be bigger pre, has been costing me too much money lately. AA andd KK fine but JJ and QQ is almost always seeing an Axx Kxx flop and my confidence in doing the right thing is shot to pieces. Also keeping the pots a little smaller to start with has been the only only way to avoid losing whats left of my bankroll. I know this sounds like I'm playing scared but I promised my-self when I started I was only ever loading just the once. If I go bust I stop playing poker, Fullstop! As regards to the check on the turn, I had two to act after me and was sure one would do the betting for me, allowing the raise. So although my head is a shed atm and nervous of what the flop brings, I'm still happy to get it all in as soon as I see no overs whilst to my mind limiting my preflop exposure. Z.
Posted by ZedsDeadBa

Dont misunderstand me, I'm not whining about running bad or badbeats or any of that woe-is-me BS.

I'm just trying to control my losses which atm appear almost inevitable. I just want to get through this sticky period with the least amount of fuss and with a semblance of a BR left.

Cheers,

Z.

EvilPingu

In Response to Re: Playing overpairs:

Ok fine, I take on board all your replies.  However there is a but, I have been running so bad for months now that what I agree should be bigger pre, has been costing me too much money lately. AA andd KK fine but JJ and QQ is almost always seeing an Axx Kxx flop and my confidence in doing the right thing is shot to pieces. Also keeping the pots a little smaller to start with has been the only only way to avoid losing whats left of my bankroll. I know this sounds like I'm playing scared but I promised my-self when I started I was only ever loading just the once. If I go bust I stop playing poker, Fullstop! As regards to the check on the turn, I had two to act after me and was sure one would do the betting for me, allowing the raise. So although my head is a shed atm and nervous of what the flop brings, I'm still happy to get it all in as soon as I see no overs whilst to my mind limiting my preflop exposure. Z.
Posted by ZedsDeadBa

I find that when running bad, it always helps to read (or re-read) any applicable poker strategy stuff. Reading something will reassure you that you're making the right decisions but just getting unlucky, and hopefully give you the confidence to keep making the right play and over time, the variance will even itself out. 

BTW, some %ages for seeing overcards on the flop when you have a pocket pair - Over cards when you have JJ and QQ won't happen every single time

http://www.freepokertraining.com/training/overcards.asp

TINTIN

In Response to Re: Playing overpairs:

Ok fine, I take on board all your replies.  However there is a but, I have been running so bad for months now that what I agree should be bigger pre, has been costing me too much money lately. AA andd KK fine but JJ and QQ is almost always seeing an Axx Kxx flop and my confidence in doing the right thing is shot to pieces. Also keeping the pots a little smaller to start with has been the only only way to avoid losing whats left of my bankroll. I know this sounds like I'm playing scared but I promised my-self when I started I was only ever loading just the once. If I go bust I stop playing poker, Fullstop! As regards to the check on the turn, I had two to act after me and was sure one would do the betting for me, allowing the raise. So although my head is a shed atm and nervous of what the flop brings, I'm still happy to get it all in as soon as I see no overs whilst to my mind limiting my preflop exposure. Z.
Posted by ZedsDeadBa

what do u do when this happens? do u always check n give up?

what would you have done if u checked and they only led out 4p which is common. so much easier to do the betting n getting worse to call than showing strength check raising. if you have big hand then i believe its up to you to make it big n put pressure on them with lesser hands