Just a Cooler? DYM

nug82

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nug82	Small blind		25.00	25.00	885.00
lewevo9	Big blind		50.00	75.00	5640.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
LondonKid	Fold
2fortyvolt	Call		50.00	125.00	3430.00
nug82	All-in		885.00	1010.00	0.00
lewevo9	Call		860.00	1870.00	4780.00
2fortyvolt	Fold
nug82	Show	10 10
lewevo9	Show	K 10
Flop
		9 Q 3
Turn
		7
River
		J
lewevo9	Win	Straight to the King	1870.00		6650.00

Dudeskin8

Nice hand. 

GREGHOGG

You played it spot on

dw about the result his call with k10s was poor to say the least imo, but thats what some chip leaders do.. make a note

Lambert180

It's not a cooler, that suggests you both had hands you couldn't fold and that's just the way it is. Whereas in this case, he has a hand he should definitely be folding and it's just a horrible beat.

davelufc

I agree op played it correctly but is it totally wrong for oppo to call here with 112 BBs?

It`s on the bubble and oppo has 95 BBs left if he doesn`t hit.

Just didn`t think the call was as bad as you`re making out tbh.

I`m probably wrong again lol.

Lambert180

My thoughts are just that in these stages when you're the big chip leader, the last thing you wanna do is give the short stack an easy double up. What hand are you possibly happy to see? QT, K9? There's no way I can see someone with about 19BBs shoving here to only win about 2BBs with that kinda junk, so you're always behind. Granted if you lose, you're still doing fine, but by doubling up the short stack, you draw the game out alot longer unnecessarily

rancid

don't need to shove here

Dudeskin8

Nah shoves fine for me, most bad players aren't limp folding much here and any call you get will probably be facing one overcard and even some underpairs so you gonna be ahead so much.

Hate raising 4x here then playing flop OOP with overcards, gonna be murder, will most likely end up check folding loads having dumped 200 important chips. 

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

don't need to shove here
Posted by rancid

ofc u do! how else do u suggest we play it?

davelufc

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM : ofc u do! how else do u suggest we play it?
Posted by GREGHOGG

It`s deffo a shove, but i dont mind the call from the big stack either,

K 10 suited is surely not the worst hand to call an all in from the short stack is it?

The other player has 39 BBs so he has no need to get involved.

I know what Lambert is saying and i agree to a point, but DYM on the bubble, big v short, sometimes you have to be brave imo.

ps, good luck with ur challenge fella,

rancid

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM : ofc u do! how else do u suggest we play it?
Posted by GREGHOGG

Why shove 17 bigs in a DYM with 10's
Still raise play flop and even fold flop if you have to and have enough left

suicide imo shoving this spot
london kid got around 2000, plenty of time
Has the blind level just started or ending - this is very important imo

It's not a cooler, it's just a shove to increase your stack by 12%
Should be looking for spots to increase your stack by 100%, with more equity than being asked to be called and flipping

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM : It`s deffo a shove, but i dont mind the call from the big stack either, K 10 suited is surely not the worst hand to call an all in from the short stack is it? The other player has 39 BBs so he has no need to get involved. I know what Lambert is saying and i agree to a point, but DYM on the bubble, big v short, sometimes you have to be brave imo. ps, good luck with ur challenge fella,
Posted by davelufc

Nope limp call with K10 is pretty awful imo, best he can hope for is 55-99 all else he is behind/dominated by.

In this situation with one tiny stack you have to pick your moments and this isn't one imo.

1267

Not a shove for me.   Although with this dreadful call the hand is miles ahead, usually you'll only be gettin called by overpairs, or ak aq.  Maybe 99 88.   Raise up to 150-200,  and hands like a 7 suited, k 10, q 10, q j , j 9 suited etc.. will be likely to call pre, and build the pot while you've got the best hand.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM : Why shove 17 bigs in a DYM with 10's Still raise play flop and even fold flop if you have to and have enough left suicide imo shoving this spot
Posted by rancid

I presume you're on the wind-up here.

rancid

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM : I presume you're on the wind-up here.
Posted by Dudeskin8

no I am serious

Dudeskin8

So you raise to 200, pot is about 500 going to flop OOP, you now have about 750 behind, flop is Q93 (as above), what do you do?

rancid

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

So you raise to 200, pot is about 500 going to flop OOP, you now have about 750 behind, flop is Q93 (as above), what do you do?
Posted by Dudeskin8

Never said it was easy

Don’t see why we should not play a flop versus mr passive, and just go down the shove and see route just because it’s easier because we don’t like playing OOP

 

You could extend your if’s and but’s and lets say mr passive or BB has AQ, now the all in doesn’t feel like a good play does it when you flipping with 17 bigs in a DYM

 

If the shove adds a greater percentage, say >25% then it’s ok imo

Rarther 3 bet shove

Dudeskin8

I think where you're going wrong is you're hung up on the 17bbs, for me with this stack I would just go into 50/100 mode as in <5 mins that's what blind level it'll be and obvz then you are snap shoving.

In this situation if you raise, IMO most times you will end up check folding as in my example you're not gonna cbet 200-300 and fold are you?

rancid

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

I think where you're going wrong is you're hung up on the 17bbs, for me with this stack I would just go into 50/100 mode as in <5 mins that's what blind level it'll be and obvz then you are snap shoving. In this situation if you raise, IMO most times you will end up check folding as in my example you're not gonna cbet 200-300 and fold are you?
Posted by Dudeskin8

Yeah it depends a lot of if the blind level is starting or ending, this is crucial – end of level – yeah ez shove

 

If we raise pre and get called, any safe flop is shovable

Even flop with overcard is shovable if oppo is limp/calling wide

Dudeskin8

Much prefer shove pre but if we do raise pre I'd rather check and let them bluff.

rancid

In Response to Re: Just a Cooler? DYM:

Much prefer shove pre but if we do raise pre I'd rather check and let them bluff.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Yeah, doubt mr passive bluffs but v certain oppo you know that will bluff - all is good

SHANXTA

shove is fine

if you raise you getting flatted almost always, flop will contain overcards a huge % of the time, and it'll be easy to make mistakes OOP.

the logic behind raising to action from hands like weak aces and small pairs is surely flawed as if villain is calling of a shove with KT then surely he is calling with these hands too