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Playing against the computer

edited February 2012 in Area 51
In a live game you play the cards you are dealt, the opponents and are assured of a random deal.  To what extent does the computer programme affect the way you should play.  I think it is generally acceped that the computer generated hands are not totally random in as much as the computer does not care who wins but does create hands to stimulate action and reduce the field.  From my own observations there are a few things to watch out for.  Certain cards keep appearing on the table, e.g. it may be Queens and sixes and for several hands these same cards repeatedly come to the table.  If you identify these cards it may pay you to play hands you would otherwise fold.  The second thing I have noticed is that winning hands come in runs.  How many times have you folded raggy hole cards to see that had you played you would have won three or four hands on the trot.  If you can spot this it is probably worth at least seeing a flop until your run has ended.  Lastly, if you are behind in chips and are looking for a spot to shove, be very wary.  It often happens that you wait and wait for a decent hand and when it comes you think 'at last, happy days' only to come up against a better hand or suffer a bad beat.  These are the killer hands designed to get you out of the tournament.  It is difficult to get away from but it may be better to just shove with a random hand and take your chances.
In a live game all the above would be utter tosh (it probably is anyway) but think about the cards, the opponents AND the computer!!!
The fact that this post was immediatly moved from General Poker Chat to Area 51 suggests that Sky are very sensitive to any suggestion that randomly generated hands are nothing more than afigment of their imagination.

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  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    Unbelievable Jeff !!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    You're probably right, it was said tongue in cheek but watch out in the next few games and you may come to think that I have something......dementia maybe.  All the best.
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Playing against the computer:
    In a live game you play the cards you are dealt, the opponents and are assured of a random deal.  To what extent does the computer programme affect the way you should play.  I think it is generally acceped that the computer generated hands are not totally random in as much as the computer does not care who wins but does create hands to stimulate action and reduce the field.  From my own observations there are a few things to watch out for.  Certain cards keep appearing on the table, e.g. it may be Queens and sixes and for several hands these same cards repeatedly come to the table.  If you identify these cards it may pay you to play hands you would otherwise fold.  The second thing I have noticed is that winning hands come in runs.  How many times have you folded raggy hole cards to see that had you played you would have won three or four hands on the trot.  If you can spot this it is probably worth at least seeing a flop until your run has ended.  Lastly, if you are behind in chips and are looking for a spot to shove, be very wary.  It often happens that you wait and wait for a decent hand and when it comes you think 'at last, happy days' only to come up against a better hand or suffer a bad beat.  These are the killer hands designed to get you out of the tournament.  It is difficult to get away from but it may be better to just shove with a random hand and take your chances. In a live game all the above would be utter tosh (it probably is anyway) but think about the cards, the opponents AND the computer!!! The fact that this post was immediatly moved from General Poker Chat to Area 51 suggests that Sky are very sensitive to any suggestion that randomly generated hands are nothing more than afigment of their imagination.
    Posted by MISTERWIN
    totally spot on post mate cudnt of worded it better myself..u play the computer on here not the opponent ive known that for ages.watch what u say tho coz next they will stop ya chat on the tables for posting the truth on here like they have done with me..u will now get all the VARIENCE rubbish from skys little run arounds..dont get into a debate tho mate coz like i say they will chat ban u like the children they are..
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Playing against the computer:
    The fact that this post was immediatly moved from General Poker Chat to Area 51 suggests that Sky are very sensitive to any suggestion that randomly generated hands are nothing more than afigment of their imagination.
    Posted by MISTERWIN
    I think that IF Sky (the company) were "very sensitive" about this then they would delete the thread, rather than simply moving it to a sub-forum that is as equally accessible as all the others. Chances are it wasn't even moved by a Sky employee.

  • edited January 2012
    it was moved here because it belongs here...imo sky should not even have an area 51....what other company can you think of that provides a platform for its customers to write slanderous accusations of fraud,fixing,and cheating about them?
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    it was moved here because it belongs here...imo sky should not even have an area 51....what other company can you think of that provides a platform for its customers to write slanderous accusations of fraud,fixing,and cheating about them?
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    Bit strong DAVEYZZ.  Who said anything about cheating.  The computer programming does not favour any particular player.  I believe it is designed to bring tournaments to a timely conclusion.  If a SKY official or presenter can assure me that all hands are randomly dealt in all games then I will believe them.  Until that time I will continue to be sceptical.
  • edited January 2012
    mister win!

    Sky controls the duration of a tournament by manipulating the blinds & amount of starting chips.

    They can add blind levels & make levels longer if they want longer tournaments & do the opposite for faster ones.

    Action in tournaments (and therefore the duration of tournaments) is always decided by the blinds & antes, that's what they are there for! 


  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    it was moved here because it belongs here...imo sky should not even have an area 51....what other company can you think of that provides a platform for its customers to write slanderous accusations of fraud,fixing,and cheating about them?
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    Then how else would you fill the void?
  • edited January 2012
    I do have one guy I look out for when playing,
    He chat boxes and predicts the river cards when theres some all ins.
    Hes very good, I think SKYs RNG has morphed and learned how to think with human characteristics and opened its own poker account, then again I am yet to see him cash any, maybe he should predict his opponents cards better instead.
    Theyre all out to get you, you know, its all a massive conspiracy,
  • edited January 2012
    well i would agree with ur post mister, the times iv had same 2 cards the same in 2 hands, and like u said watch out for k-q-6-4s. triping late on in a turny, the times iv shouted cheating sods,only to ko sum1 next game with a rag hand all in and river a stright, im working on how to beat this comp program and make loads£££££££, 
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    mister win! Sky controls the duration of a tournament by manipulating the blinds & amount of starting chips. They can add blind levels & make levels longer if they want longer tournaments & do the opposite for faster ones. Action in tournaments (and therefore the duration of tournaments) is always decided by the blinds & antes, that's what they are there for! 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I  think you are correct in what you say doh, and im sure a sky official would have no problem in repeating your statement. But mister win as a point to, in light of the fact there is no regulation on the random nature of the game players are always going to question it.
    all it would take is a statement something like. Our software deals cards in a totally random way, it does not and can not favor any one or group of players. the programme does not and can not manipulate the deck before during or at the end of a hand. a simple statement really, it would be a legal statement to its players giving everyone the confidence to spend their money in the knowledge they had an equal chance of winning with luck and skill as anyone else. that would put a end once and for all of this debate on rigged sites. i would miss area 51 but i would be a happy player.
  • edited January 2012
    I agree with Daveys post. I dont think many players that post in A51 with their OMG my AA got cracked by <insert any hand here> play on any other site (or contribute to their forums in the same way). i think this for two reasons

    1. No other site I have played on allows posts in their forums, accusing the site of being dodgy (PKR did, but removed it) feel free to correct me here though.
    2. If they did play on other sites they would see that the beats are just as frequent and just as bad. Althouh this fequency is down to your own general perception of, your own skills, how you played the hand and how good your hand was. Many players get this wrong. Otherwise we would all be breakeven players.....because no one would be bad enough to lose.

    Just reading some of these threads and over the last 6 months, they have got increasingly worse in tone and direction. Several even turning into "personal" attacks on posters - either pro fixed or against.

    IMO if you think it is rigged, you are a tad silly. not because you think it rigged, but because you continue to play and post here....... I once accused a mate of stealing from me, i couldnt prove it, but I certainly never let him in my house again. I belived i was right, so wasnt gonna take the risk. Dont see why people do it.
  • edited January 2012
    Its because we (THE MODS) treat you as adults

    Nobody seriously believes a regulated industry has any skullduggery so we let u vent!

    Sky Poker is as fixed as I am Phil Ivey

    Dave
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    it was moved here because it belongs here...imo sky should not even have an area 51....what other company can you think of that provides a platform for its customers to write slanderous accusations of fraud,fixing,and cheating about them?
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    If Sky believe it is libellous they could always take legal action. It would be very interesting to see their regulations tested for "randomness" since, as has been pointed out many times before, the regulations explicitly do NOT state that the card sequence generated by the RNG is the same sequence that is dealt to the players.
    I don't believe online poker sites have a winning record in court cases!!
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    Its because we (THE MODS) treat you as adults Nobody seriously believes a regulated industry has any skullduggery so we let u vent! Sky Poker is as fixed as I am Phil Ivey Dave
    Posted by SolarCarro
    HI PHIL
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    Its because we (THE MODS) treat you as adults Nobody seriously believes a regulated industry has any skullduggery so we let u vent! Sky Poker is as fixed as I am Phil Ivey Dave
    Posted by SolarCarro
    Check your facts. There have been a number of cases of skullduggery by online poker sites. One has recently been shut down by the US DoJ and several others are subject to criminal prosecution.
    Surely you haven't forgotten the Ultimate Bet/ Absolute Poker scandal?
  • edited January 2012
    Online poker is MORE random, Nobody in real life can shuffle perfectly, even computers cannot be 100% random as that is impossible, but they are a hell of a lot more random than even a professional dealer...
  • edited January 2012
    can you be more random than random??? if something is random nothing can be more/ less random than random , surley?
  • edited January 2012
    If the cards come down and I don't like them, then its not Random.   If the cards come down and I win. !!!   
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer : Then how else would you fill the void?
    Posted by igimc
    hhmmmm,not sure maybe i could spend the time working  at my game.
    watching training videos,reading up e.t.c.
     But then whats the point if its all "fixed for the rubbish players to win"?
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer : hhmmmm,not sure maybe i could send the time working  at my game. watching training videos,reading up e.t.c.  But then whats the point if its all "fixed for the rubbish players to win"?
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    EXACTLY...By jove i think hes got it.:-)
    Keep up the good work.
  • edited January 2012

    Even though I don't believe that the cards are dealt totally randomly I continue to play because I think SKY is the best site by a long way.  If I am going to play anywhere then this is the site I choose because I think all other sites employ the same tactics.  Drumahai05 made a reasoned argument for a plain statement from SKY outlining their position on random deals.  Everyone would welcome this and it would put the argument to bed.  Of course the blind levels determine the ultimate length of a tournament but why is it that whether there are 50 or 500 players, almost every £10 and under tournament reaches the final table at the second break.  In a randomly dealt game the chips would flow back and forth and a fair proportion of games would take a lot longer.  I know it's possible to come back from a very small chip stack and cash but in general as the tournament progresses, the higher chip stacks get proportionately more better hands and the lower chip stacks fall like ninepins.

    I don't consider the lack of random dealing as cheating and appreciate the forum to express controversial opinions. 
    To answer your question DAVEYZZ, it is usually a tabloid reporter who uncovers fraud, fixing and cheating in football, cricket, athletics, horse and greyhound racing, casinos, etc. etc.

  • edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer : hhmmmm,not sure maybe i could spend the time working  at my game. watching training videos,reading up e.t.c.  But then whats the point if its all "fixed for the rubbish players to win"?
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    always an answer hahaha
  • edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer:
    In Response to Re: Playing against the computer : always an answer hahaha
    Posted by MAGICmagic
    i've no answer to that!
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