Right move/call????

El_Mogul

Floped a massive draw with multiple players in the pot, I personally think I made the right move/call but I'm not sure. Here's the hand anyway... Firtst time I've posted a hand too so I don't know If I've done it right. xD

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jodierub26	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.48
emmabute09	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£10.93
	Your hole cards	8 9
gmgm	Fold
spock979	Fold
El_Mogul	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£3.07
vincyman	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£2.22
jodierub26	Call		£0.10	£0.40	£3.38
emmabute09	Call		£0.08	£0.48	£10.85
Flop
		J 5 10
jodierub26	Check
emmabute09	Check
El_Mogul	Bet		£0.25	£0.73	£2.82
vincyman	Call		£0.25	£0.98	£1.97
jodierub26	Raise		£1.48	£2.46	£1.90
emmabute09	All-in		£10.85	£13.31	£0.00
El_Mogul	All-in		£2.82	£16.13	£0.00
vincyman	All-in		£1.97	£18.10	£0.00
jodierub26	All-in		£1.90	£20.00	£0.00
emmabute09	Unmatched bet		£7.47	£12.53	£7.47
jodierub26	Show	J K
emmabute09	Show	Q 9
El_Mogul	Show	8 9
vincyman	Show	A Q
Turn
		J
River
		2
jodierub26	Win	Three Jacks	£11.59

grantorino

At 4NL I prob wouldnt open 89s

On flop if you are going to bet make it bigger, although I might just check and try keep pot small as you will have very little FE here. Once you bet you are obv getting it in if raised

Ads2kuk

Like above poster, I don't open with the 89. I'll definitely be shipping on the flop. UL bro.

Dudeskin8

Yep just no need to play 89s at NL4 as balancing your range isn't a problem vs people who aren't thinking that deep about the game.

On flop defo check as any bet will be called, zero fold equity, and you currently only have 9 high, just check hit your card and then value bet.

WHOAMI196

I don't understand what dudeskin and grantorino are on about, . . . good open pre, nice sized c-bet on the flop, huge flop for you btw,  inta-call villains shove(never foldin); you were only a "dog" against a set or higher flush draw, v unlucky m8. 

AMYBR

Lol at the over shove with Q9.

Dont have issue w opening 89s either. 

ABC is right but why are we denying ourselves opportunities?  Especially when opponents are perceived to stack off lighter?


As long as we are confident losing min, gaining max, why close the door?  Doesnt makes sense to me.

grantorino

In Response to Re: Right move/call????:

Lol at the over shove with Q9. Dont have issue w opening 89s either.  ABC is right but why are we denying ourselves opportunities?  Especially when opponents are perceived to stack off lighter? As long as we are confident losing min, gaining max, why close the door?  Doesnt makes sense to me.
Posted by AMYBR

1. We are only ~80BB deep, one of villains is less than 60BB deep

2 Them stacking off lighter is usually bad for us with this hand

3. We require fold equity either pre or on flop as we rarely flop a strong made hand. Im not sure we have enough at 4NL

I dont think opening is terribad or anything but I would think its marginal  at best at a table of stations

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: Right move/call????:

In Response to Re: Right move/call???? :

 1. We are only ~80BB deep, one of villains is less than 60BB deep 

2 Them stacking off lighter is usually bad for us with this hand

 

3. We require fold equity either pre or on flop as we rarely flop a strong made hand. 

Im not sure we have enough at 4NL I dont think opening is terribad or anything but I would think its marginal  at best at a table of stations
Posted by grantorino

1. I agree, it's bad that the hero is 80bb, and that a few of the villains are not fully stacked, as when we hit big we want max value; otherwise it's never profitable play.

2. Its good that they stack off light imo, when you hit you are more-likely to make max-value.

3. We do not require fold-equity pre or on the flop , ESP with a hand like 89s! it's hands like those we require as many peeps in the pot, if we miss we are rarely turning it into a bluff(multi-way) it would be an easy fold for us.

grantorino

In Response to Re: Right move/call????:

In Response to Re: Right move/call???? : 1. I agree, it's bad that the hero is 80bb, and that a few of the villains are not fully stacked, as when we hit big we want max value; otherwise it's never profitable play. 2. Its good that they stack off light imo, when you hit you are more-likely to make max-value. 3. We do not require fold-equity pre or on the flop , ESP with a hand like 89s! it's hands like those we require as many peeps in the pot, if we miss we are rarely turning it into a bluff(multi-way) it would be an easy fold for us.
Posted by WHOAMI196

Its only good that they stack off light when we make 2pair+. If we flop draws its nearly always better for us when they fold rather than call if we choose to bet

rancid

yuk, reverse implied odds :S
Wouldn't feel happy with FD but just get it in