thoughts on this

3barrels

right i know after the flop that i am well behind here i knew overpair was obvious i was hoping it was not AA as in this spot im 44% to win this so i called for the gamble if u dont gamble u dont win i want views and feedback

berni3	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£5.43
3barrels	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£19.73
	Your hole cards	9 A
liam690	Raise		£0.40	£0.55	£29.50
pearson714	Fold
acesadam86	Call		£0.40	£0.95	£3.51
STR1BS	Fold
berni3	Fold
3barrels	Call		£0.30	£1.25	£19.43
Flop
		5 6 7
3barrels	Check
liam690	Bet		£1.25	£2.50	£28.25
acesadam86	All-in		£3.51	£6.01	£0.00
3barrels	Call		£3.51	£9.52	£15.92
liam690	All-in		£28.25	£37.77	£0.00
3barrels	All-in		£15.92	£53.69	£0.00
liam690	Unmatched bet		£10.07	£43.62	£10.07
3barrels	Show	9 A
liam690	Show	K K
acesadam86	Show	3 3
Turn
		4
River
		7
acesadam86	Win	Straight to the 7	£11.40		£11.40
liam690	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 7s	£30.82		£40.89

YOUNG_GUN

Preflop a fold for me mate 4 x UTG gotta be smashing A9

After flop im getting it in as quick as poss!

3barrels

yes young_gun right there fold pre i useally fold A 9 no probs but table was loose from wot i was watching

AMYBR

I peel flop without hesitation, for variety of reasons.

Not sure on flop tbh. We have 8 -12 (i wouldnt be counting the A's) outs having 36 - 52%.  Dont love calling it off.  Plenty happy to make the last bet though.  If rolled i prob call.

Dont like the flat on flop in honesty (of £3.51).  If being willing to station the shove, am much happier 3 betting myself.  Making calling the shove easy (mathwise) rather than marginal.

Ignoring opponents range, we only give ourselves one way to win this hand.

WHOAMI196

Would be a more interesting thread if you stopped the h/h on your turn to act on the flop, after liam shoved. 

Back to the hand, i think i would have lead the flop tbh, would hate it to go check-check, and i agree with amybr i hate calling off my stack with draws (even if ahead of his range), i prefer to put the decision to my opponent to make the gamble call, but as played very UL.

rancid

shove on the first all in, hope your A's are outs

calling off 200bb with FD+GS is not ideal

Dudeskin8

Fold or 3bet pre imo.

YOUNG_GUN

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Fold or 3bet pre imo.
Posted by Dudeskin8

For once i agree with Mr Dudenit  

Dudeskin8

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In Response to Re: thoughts on this : For once i agree with Mr Dudenit  
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

When I say fold or 3bet pre I mean someone who has sufficient 'balls' would 3bet I would just fold like a good nit .

grantorino

flatting pre is much better than 3betting oop or folding 200BB deep imo

postflop Im never folding, whether I raise or flat shorty shove depends on how I view villain, but Im generally raising, as played snapcall

IDONKCALLU

fold pre as played i am never putting 200bb on a nut flush draw as tight it maybe but we could be up against a set here even an overpair ys still underdog to win this hand not a fan of this play 

YOUNG_GUN

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flatting pre is much better than 3betting oop or folding 200BB deep imo postflop Im never folding, whether I raise or flat shorty shove depends on how I view villain, but Im generally raising, as played snapcall
Posted by grantorino

Disagree alot its better to 3 bet then call as we take some initiative also they can fold some marginal hands.

Hate calling as only flop we will be happy with is hearts etc, also likely someone has better ace so prefer fold

fold>3bet>call IMO 

grantorino

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In Response to Re: thoughts on this : Disagree alot its better to 3 bet then call as we take some initiative also they can fold some marginal hands 
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

If you like playing inflated pots oop deep with A9 go ahead and raise. He wont fold that many better hands or call with that many worse and postflop will nearly always be tricky. Calling with a hand that can flop good nut draws and has decent equity against his opening range is fine this deep imo, esp with a shorty in the middle

huuuuume

In Response to Re: thoughts on this:

In Response to Re: thoughts on this : Disagree alot its better to 3 bet then call as we take some initiative also they can fold some marginal hands. Hate calling as only flop we will be happy with is hearts etc, also likely someone has better ace so prefer fold fold>3bet>call IMO 
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

+1

calling is too passive

AMYBR

In Response to Re: thoughts on this:

In Response to Re: thoughts on this : If you like playing inflated pots oop deep with A9 go ahead and raise. He wont fold that many better hands or call with that many worse and postflop will nearly always be tricky. Calling with a hand that can flop good nut draws and has decent equity against his opening range is fine this deep imo, esp with a shorty in the middle
Posted by grantorino

Think both lines are correct depending on aggro factor of table. When 3 betting pre here we simply arent playing our hand.  We are gaining betting lead and isolating vs 1 player hopefully.  We arent playing strength of hand.  We are looking to pick up dead money, isolate and perhaps hoping for a favourable flop.  Cbetting virtually all boards.

When flatting we are looking to flop favourably and stack someone multi way or c/f most boards.