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What to do?
Ok situation, 6 handed, I'm on the BB holding JJ with 20k chips (blinds 300/600), UTG shoves all in for 19.8k chips, it is folded round, what do you do?
So far UTG player has done this with 44 and 66 but has slow played premium (yes shoved all in with no action, and showed each time), so when I find JJ in the BB and he does this again, I called. He flips over AA and I'm decimated.
1. Could we ever put him on AA here?
2. Should I have folded anyway despite what he has shown other times?
3. What do we think of the villains play?
So far UTG player has done this with 44 and 66 but has slow played premium (yes shoved all in with no action, and showed each time), so when I find JJ in the BB and he does this again, I called. He flips over AA and I'm decimated.
1. Could we ever put him on AA here?
2. Should I have folded anyway despite what he has shown other times?
3. What do we think of the villains play?
Comments
1. he has a big pair in which case you are in deep trouble
2. he has AK or AQ in which case you are racing
3. he is bullying with junk in which case you are a big favourite.
From UTG we can prbably eliminate 3. Which leaves either a race or dominated.You have over 30 BBs at this point so you have a lot of play in your stack. For me it would be a overly cautious fold. I would be looking for a better spot. JJ for me is a shoving hand not a calling hand, when tourny life is at stake.
The main thing to remember is just because he has shown weak pairs before does not mean that is what he always makes that move with. You show your cards to tell a story to your opponents, so the best thing i find is to ignore all shown cards because they only give you the information that they want you to have.
The coment above that mentions he could be doing it with AK AQ........yes but he could also do it with A J (leaving him 3 outs to his overpair & some str8 possibilites) or KJ, QJ and many other things. He is trying to look lose by showing but theres nothing to say this is the one where he has it.
Against a Tiaght Agressive are you folding ..... yes probably but against a guy with a track record of shoving low pairs UTG.... A lot harder to lay those Jacks down.
If this is 3 times in Very quick succession then i may put them down as after 1 & 2 the guy knows the next time he's getting called so he's going to it with the goods. but if theres a good space of time between his pushes then i'm less likley to jump to the aces or Kings conclusion
UTG means a lot less to Internet players these days. How often have you seen raises with suited connectors UTG or 5's and 6's? and how many times have you seen no respect for the UTG raise that you have made. 4 callers to your QQ raise UTG only for the board to smack and Ace & a King on it. You fold, they play it out and the winner is holding A 5 or some similarly weak hand. UTG = not once it once was, people raise weak here in comparison to what they used to and the raises here are not respected anymore.
My decision was perhaps a little hasty, given the history it was possible that the next time he did this was with a very high PP, and with JJ being a vunerable hand, I could have found a better spot.
Simply because of that fact. He's turned over the 4's and the 6's after shoving and not being called before, and with this being a similar situation i'd put him on another pocket pair but obviously when you've got the hooks, you gotta think your chances are pretty decent of him holding another mediocre hand.
Suppose it was bad timing really.
1 - It looks suspicious - why would he show his 44 and 66 if not to sow seeds of doubt.
2 - You're calling with JJ, not raising with them - need to be cautious.
3 - It's not a check raise, or a re-raise. You were in the blind for 600 - 3% of your stack and he pushes - hardly anything invested! Why go broke in this pot?
Best case call scenario, he pushed with a low pair - you're a big favourite, but not immune to a suck out - you double-thru.
Worst case call scenario, it's a big pair and you're crushed, or overcards and you're racing...
Folding scenario - you lose 600 chips, you have a maniac to your right who is prime for a check-raise spanking... You should be able to get his chips in the end.
Hi Colley, some excellent posts already on here, so I won't waffle on.
All I will say is that without any history on the player, I'm 80-90% folding. However, with the hands he's shown before, I probably would have called just like you did.
So in answer to question 3, he's probably played the hand perfect. He was hoping someone would wake up with a big hand, think he was trying it on and call.
You did on all three counts and the rest, as they say, is history.
Lesson learnt and we move on to fight another day.
If JJ is a fold here...
What should/would we be calling with in this position?