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hi barry cheers for ur help m8 i owe u a drink at a live event, keep up the good work on ur thread m8 they make me laff, looks like im banned for life which would of been nice to be told beforehand not lettin me get on the day the ban was up and then telling me thru live chat, i did my 3 months no problem it was hard, cheers anyway benny ur a top geezer
Please tell him, its a pleasure
Cheers Mick ..this one's for you ..enjoy !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIV3muwpXY
Thats what m8s are for, here,s hoping against hope they do change there minds take care.
thats pretty low in my eyes ,i hope sky have a change of heart soon ,gl mick ,hope u get ur voice back soon ..........ten
I can understand Bernies comment that they can't discuss individual cases on the forum, afterall I certainly wouldnt want my personal business discussed here by a third party, I dont think any of us would.
I dont know if such a thing exists but, if this problem is something that happens a lot, maybe some thought could be given to setting up an independent body, much like ACAS, who can sit down with both partys and try to settle the dispute.
Whatever happens I think we all agree that this is a excellent site and I for one wouldn't want this issue to bring an end to the excellent fun we all have here both on the tables and in the forums.
I hope that I have tried to be the voice of moderation here and thank you for listening
Steve
This
Sky has worked hard in making a community, then has decided to shoot itself in the foot by acting like a spoilt kid who has gone in for tea and taken his ball with him.
Well, I for one don't need the fat kid's ball - there's plenty more balls out there to play with.
It was after all the ppl at live chat who told him it was a life ban and they are pretty clueless from my experiences with them
It does not take much working out, for goodness sake, & LOTS of players know the facts. (They have not Posted on this Thread). I honestly hope it gets sorted to everyone's satisfaction, but really guys, you need to think through the logical scenario here.
1: Are the forums and chat separate entities?
2: Can punishment in one be transferred to the other?
3: If this can happen, can the punishment be increased?
4: I think we definitely need a way of being able to ask for a review and or appeal.
This is not just for the recent events, but also for the whole of the forum, and all players.
table chat and community privileges will be discussed with the individuals involved. as already stated earlier in this thread we are not at liberty to disclose any private account information. my last point in this matter is that all forum and table chat bans are handed out for good reason and at no point has anyone been singled out or treated unfairly.
thanks for your understanding on this matter and let's all get back to enjoying this great community
Hi Barry. I can't really help much, but as you are a special friend, I don't want to ignore your polite & well-intentioned questions. I do NOT have Authority (with a capital "A") to reply, so this, fwiw, is my personal take.
1) I have no idea.
2) Same answer.
3) If the circumstances changed, & further stuff came to light, yes, of course it can.
4) It's a matter between MickJenn & Sky Poker. My Boss - Sky Des - a man of THE greatest integrity, has already stated, clearly "we do not discuss individual cases publically". There is a reason for that, & it's best to respect it, imo.
I met Mick for, I think, the first time on Saturday, & I found him wholly amenable. That does not alter the facts.
Numerous Players who are NOT Posting on this Thread KNOW the facts. I know some of them, I think, but I won't be commenting further on them.
My take on this Site is quite simple. I want folks to enjoy themselves when they play on Sky Poker, & feel safe in every way when they play here, & know that Sky Poker will act in an honourable & proper way towards them all. I am content that they do exactly that, & when fairness is in doubt, Sky Poker go the extra yard to ensure their patrons are treated fairly.
If sky has let one member off a life chat ban, then shouldnt we all as sky members be shown the same curtesy.Sky has set a precendant by allowing one sky member which was on a life time ban to be reinstated ???????
[QUOTE]wasnt norbit banned for life and given a second chance...? surely every member of sky should be treated in the same way !!!
Posted by beaujolais
In identical circumstance, yes, if the circumstances are different, no - obviously!
This Thread is NOT helping Mick. I'm a total pacifist, & a soft so & so, & I want EVERY player, Mick included, to be welcome here, & to chat freely.
But with Sky Poker being called "fools" by folks who don't know the facts, & talk of peitions & suchlike by players who may well be apalled if they knew the facts, the case is never gonna make much progress.
Mick's cause is best served if he writes to Sky Poker privately, & explains the circumstances of certain things. If he says the right things, who says he wion't get a second chance? Not me, not Sky Poker.
Trying to bully the Site into restoring his Chat Priveleges is a kite that ain't gonna fly. Only Mick can sort it out, & if he wants to contest it, I wish him well. But my advice is do it quietly, in the back garden, because standing in the street shouting & hollering won't solve anything.
I had an e-Mail from Mick last night by the way, & I've forwarded it to the Suits for their consideration & perusal. That's a far more effective & efficient means to resolve this than this Thread, & allegations that Sky Poker & it's staff are "fools".
How do you know that Mick will not be re-instated at some point?
I would be happy for Sky to ban his chat privelages for life for what he did, but they didn't - they handed out a 3 month ban.
Mick then did more stupid things on the forum, and was banned from there.
At that time Sky could have told him that they were banning him for life from chat as well - I don't think there would have been may arguments. They didn't.
Natural justice suggests that once someone is punished, you can't change or extend the punishment.
I know it's only chatting on a web-site, but we live in such a place that we like to see natural justice extended from the most serious to the most minor situations - it's something about fair play and Britishness (in a totally non-fascist way).
I hear what Tikay is saying regarding Mick being better served by making personal approach, and I agree (he told me he was sending Tikay an e-mail) - all we're doing here is talking about it - that's another British thing. We may not put the world to rights, but we like to reserve the right to talk the talk.
Mick's cause is best served if he writes to Sky Poker privately, & explains the circumstances of certain things. If he says the right things, who says he wion't get a second chance? Not me, not Sky Poker. Trying to bully the Site into restoring his Chat Priveleges is a kite that ain't gonna fly. Only Mick can sort it out, & if he wants to contest it, I wish him well. But my advice is do it quietly, in the back garden, because standing in the street shouting & hollering won't solve anything. I had an e-Mail from Mick last night by the way, & I've forwarded it to the Suits for their consideration & perusal. That's a far more effective & efficient means to resolve this than this Thread, & allegations that Sky Poker & it's staff are "fools".
Posted by Tikay10
"So often times it happens, we live our lives in chains, and we never even new we had the key"
Talk away Eyeman, I'm always game to talk.
But do you seriously think that folks calling Sky Poker "fools" for what's happened, when they do NOT know the facts, will help Mick, or anyone else, for that matter?
The censure/penalty was changed, & changed for a reason. You can see that, I'm sure. You're an Optician, after all.
It's a little bizarre that Sky Poker are being labelled as the Villains in this matter, if you think about it......