Newish to sky poker and poker

Rubbish678

I want to know wether anyone thinks it is possible to win at poker without knowing the stats and things such as pott odds for example , I don't know any of this

devonfish5

hi rubbish,
yes,with a little luck,
anyone can win.
think it would help though
if u knew the basic odds.
sure it is all available on-line.
odds of hitting a card that u need
say a 9 for ex;is approx 2% a card.
so 4 nines x 2% = 8%
8%=i in every 12 times.
pot odds,
say someone has bet 20p 4 ex;
and there is £1 in the middle
now there is £1.20 in there.
if u r running up & down say,
u hold 6789 u need a 5 or a 10 4 the run
so u have 8 outs (max)
=8x2%=16%
=u will hit 1 in every 6 times.
so if u put in the 20p
and hit your 5 or 10
you may win the £1.20 in the pot
pluss what is called implied odds
(that is any more money which may well also
go in after that card has come)
so you are getting just about the correct pot odds
in this example

it all sounds a little complicated but it really isn,t.
just ask yourself
how much do i have to put in
and how much can i win.(or poss win with implied odds)

sure u will soon pich it up mate.
best of luck
devon

EvilPingu

In Response to Newish to sky poker and poker:

I want to know wether anyone thinks it is possible to win at poker without knowing the stats and things such as pott odds for example , I don't know any of this
Posted by Rubbish678

You don't need to know every bit of maths in the world related to poker, but you definitely need to know some of it. 

When playing Pocket Jacks, you will see over cards on the flop 57% of the time (not 100%, contrary to popular belief). Do you need to know that? No, not really. I've never played pocket jacks and thought "There's going to be an over card on the flop 57% of the time".

There's some basic ones that are useful to know:

Being dealt a pocket pair = 16/1

Pocket pair vs. 2 over cards = Coin flip. Slightly in favour of pair, only by a couple of %.

Flopping a set with a pocket pair = 7/1

On flop, calculating % of hitting your draw by the river - Rule of 4. Multiply number of "outs" by 4 to give an estimated % of winning the hand

On turn - As above, but rule of 2, so multiply by 2, not 4.

Probably more that I've forgotten, been up all night playing lol.

The ones I like are the ones that illustrate how bad it is to play bad hands in the hope of flopping a monster or chasing draws. Also like 118/1 to flop a flush, you see people lead out on a monochrome (all same suit) board and some players just auto fold everything because their opponent "has to have a flush". It's not every day that someone's 118/1 shot comes in...

- Backdoor flush draw (i.e. 2 successive cards of the same suit on the turn and river to give you a flush) = 10/47 * 9/46 = 4.16%, or 23/1

- Flop a flush with suited hole cards = 11/50 * 10/49 * 9/48 = 0.84%, or 118/1

- Flop 2 pairs without a pocket pair = 6/50 * 3/49 * 3 = 2.2%, or 44/1

- Flopped gutshot (e.g. You have 45, flop is K78, so you need a 6 for a straight) = about 5/1 to hit by the river

- Backdoor straight (see backdoor flush) = 68/1

- Flop full house without a pocket pair = about 1100/1

scrumdown

basic one witch new players use not very hard to work out is 4 plus 2 rule how it works is after the flop times your outs by 4 and same again after the turn but this time only times your outs by 2 on both if your geting over 25% make the call

Poker_Fail

In Response to Re: Newish to sky poker and poker:

Also like 118/1 to flop a flush, you see people lead out on a monochrome (all same suit) board and some players just auto fold everything because their opponent "has to have a flush". It's not every day that someone's 118/1 shot comes in...

If the flop is all of one suit, the chance oppo has a flush is actually about 1 in 25. Factor in players tendencies to play suited cards, and if it is a multiway pot you'll be vs more hands, it's not that unlikely at all.

Yes it is 118 - 1 to flop a flush, but once you know the board is all one suit that becomes a lot lower

rancid

learn pot odds, can't play without them

unknown_username

In Response to Newish to sky poker and poker:

I want to know wether anyone thinks it is possible to win at poker without knowing the stats and things such as pott odds for example , I don't know any of this
Posted by Rubbish678

Of course. Any two cards can win and anyone can get lucky. It's also possible to win money playing roulette, or any other casino table game for that matter (I use roulette as the example as there's no decision making to do after dropping your chips on the layout which can affect the outcomes).

But . . . playing any game of chance comes with a health warning. Like all casino operators, SkyPoker charge a levy to play online - either the buy-ins to tournaments and sit-n-goes, or the rake on winning hands at the cash tables. The minimum is 10%, so to "win" consistently you need to play with an average advantage of at least 10%, just to breakeven. Play at the micro-levels and you need to play with a higher average advantage still.

If you don't know any of the maths stuff, my advice (for what it's worth) is to start reading, although there are no guarantees that understanding the numbers will mean your results will fall in the black.

Hold-em, like so many other games, is fairly easy to learn but takes a long time to master - and is one where you'll always be learning.

Good cards.

Poker_Fail

To have any real chance of grinding a profit away you'll need to learn some of the simple stuff

Tikay10

In Response to Newish to sky poker and poker:

I want to know wether anyone thinks it is possible to win at poker without knowing the stats and things such as pott odds for example , I don't know any of this
Posted by Rubbish678

It is entirely possible to win without knowing pot odds, & it is entirely possible to lose if you do know pot odds.

If you want to win - or "not lose", over time, then some knowledge of the basics would be useful.

Basics include position, aggression, raising with ANY hand rather than calling with marginals OOP, &, in tourneys, an understanding of stack dynamics - finding open spots, when to jam with atc, when you must not raise/fold, understanding stuff such as fold equity, etc.

Pot Odds specifically, no, you could cope without. I know many successful players who have no knowledge of the maths of the game. However, if they understood Pot Odds, it's likely they would do better.

An intricate understanding of the maths is NOT totally necessary. The maths only work if you can place your oponent on a fairly slim range of hands, & not many of us can do that.

For recreational players, the only maths/pot odds you need to know are if, on the flop, you are EITHER 4 to the straight (open ended, not gutshot), or 4 to the flush. In both cases the odds are as near identical as makes no difference - you are about 2/1 to hit. Usually, though, it is better to be a bettor than a caller in these spots, ideally in position.

Do NOT get fixated on whether you are 7/4, 2/1, 9/4 or 5/2 to hit, in reality, at this level, it makes very little difference, & you can safely ignore anyone who suggests otherwise, or bangs on about whether you are 2/1 or 9/4. 

Enjoy, & watch "Poker School" & "Poker Clinic" on Ch 865, as these will also help you. 

Enjoy, Rubbish.