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Few hands to analyze...

edited February 2012 in The Poker Clinic



Is this allways an insta-fold??

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Rosie_47 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £47.56
danniloo21 Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £33.94
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • Q
     
shark76 Call  £0.50 £1.25 £96.66
HITMAN_RV Fold     
CrazyBen23 Fold     
WHOAMI196 Raise  £2.00 £3.25 £52.90
Rosie_47 Call  £1.75 £5.00 £45.81
danniloo21 Fold     
shark76 Call  £1.50 £6.50 £95.16
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 9
  • 6
     
Rosie_47 Check     
shark76 Check     
WHOAMI196 Bet  £4.50 £11.00 £48.40
Rosie_47 Call  £4.50 £15.50 £41.31
shark76 Raise  £24.50 £40.00 £70.66
WHOAMI196 ????   
Is there a case for shoving the river, or a value bet is best...
ayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
varney Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £48.25
gordybo568 Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £83.38
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • A
     
jackl Fold     
WHOAMI196 Raise  £1.50 £2.25 £99.74
Rosie_47 Fold     
Jibbz Fold     
varney Fold     
gordybo568 Call  £1.00 £3.25 £82.38
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 7
  • K
     
gordybo568 Check     
WHOAMI196 Bet  £2.00 £5.25 £97.74
gordybo568 Call  £2.00 £7.25 £80.38
Turn
   
  • 2
     
gordybo568 Check     
WHOAMI196 Check     
River
   
  • 5
     
gordybo568 Bet  £8.00 £15.25 £72.38
WHOAMI196 ?????
Any merits with my line here, i feel he is weak and can take it away on the river(with some phantom outs), nice river though how much do i make it??
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Jibbz Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £61.40
varney Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £48.50
  Your hole cards
  • 5
  • 6
     
gordybo568 Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £113.02
jackl Fold     
WHOAMI196 Call  £2.00 £4.75 £69.15
Rosie_47 Fold     
Jibbz Fold     
varney Fold     
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 5
  • Q
     
gordybo568 Bet  £2.38 £7.13 £110.64
WHOAMI196 Call  £2.38 £9.51 £66.77
Turn
   
  • 8
     
gordybo568 Bet  £4.76 £14.27 £105.88
WHOAMI196 Call  £4.76 £19.03 £62.01
River
   
  • 5
     
gordybo568 Bet  £9.52 £28.55 £96.36
WHOAMI196 Raise  ?????  
Las hand, this was on tv btw, any logic here, do i ever have decent equity here ....
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
settle25 Small blind  £0.30 £0.30 £31.87
BILLBOY3 Big blind  £0.30 £0.60 £11.70
shaw759 Big blind  £0.30 £0.90 £19.70
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
     
WHOAMI196 Raise  £1.20 £2.10 £28.80
shaw759 Call  £0.90 £3.00 £18.80
Ozzie08 Fold     
settle25 Call  £0.90 £3.90 £30.97
BILLBOY3 Raise  £2.10 £6.00 £9.60
WHOAMI196 Call  £1.20 £7.20 £27.60
shaw759 All-in  £18.80 £26.00 £0.00
settle25 Fold     
BILLBOY3 All-in  £9.60 £35.60 £0.00
WHOAMI196 All-in  £27.60 £63.20 £0.00
WHOAMI196 Unmatched bet  £10.00 £53.20 £10.00
FWIW, i play for fun on sky , mainly due to my bad broadband connection, and when it drops, say if i am playing 8 tables, i get logged out and all the table shut down, and the other site i play at can cope a bit better.

So i have no reads on these guys whatsoever. 

Comments

  • edited February 2012
    1) snap fold.
     
    2) only shove if you are confident they have a weaker flush.  if not bet smaller to get value from 2 pair type hands.  also if you bet smaller and they have a smaller flush they will prob go all in anyway.

    3) flat river...villain opened utg on a table where he is clearly the value and then has barrelled (half pot barrelling lol) every street. i assume he would play QQ this way so prob best to call unless you have a really good read on the bet sizing etc.

    4) fold....three way in this spot you will run into AK, AQ, KK, QQ on so many occasions and just have nowhere near the equity youre hoping to have.  it looks pretty but you only have K high.
  • edited February 2012
    1 Think you have to fold without excellent reads. If you are ahead they have decent equity, if you are behind you are crushed, and you will usually be behind imo

    2 Bet flop bigger. Turn fine, although I would sometimes barrell. River, meh hard to say depends on villain in a vacuum just raise to 25. Depends if he overvalues hands or thinks you are likely to overbet bluffshove

    3 Do you feel he is weak as in your hand is good or has a better hand you can bluff him off on river? Raise to 25, prob fold to a shove readless, maybe you can justify calling it off though

    4. Looks like a fold to me.
  • edited February 2012
    on hand 3 you guys are aware hes made trips on river against a fish? flat and bluff him off? hope you guys have misread the hand. agree with the rest
  • edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Few hands to analyze...:
    on hand 3 you guys are aware hes made trips on river against a fish? flat and bluff him off? hope you guys have misread the hand. agree with the rest
    Posted by CrazyBen23
    When I mentioned bluffing him on river in hand 3 I meant when OP missed river, as he mentioned something about pushing villain off hand on river, and called 2 streets with a very weak pair. Obv once we make trips on river we are not bluffing if we raise. Dont know villain, if he is a fish I prob raise and call it off
  • edited February 2012

    Must say, there are some very loose plays at nl50, fun though.

    1. I think this is an easy insta-fold, but very interesting line the villain took! limp-calling(bad imo), squeezed the flop? if he did not have 66 there, he is a very brave chap.

    2. I like my flop bet size tbh, didnt want to be raised off the pot, plus im likely to have the best hand. I could barrel the turn but against this villain i think a bit of pot control is best(but a good villain will discard a k from my range, prob? i may be exploited), plus im only inflating a big pot as i am likely behind if he calls(also 2 is not a good card to barrel) The river baffled me, He ovb reps the flush, but does he have it? well i thought so, so i shoved-- i figured if he would call a value re-raise, he would call a shove?, perhaps to deep for this, and he did fold, bad read by me.

    3. This hand was before above, (this guy's (if i had a hud) vpip% would be very high). After playing this villain i wanted to enter a high% of pots v him as there was a lot of value there(still with limited reads on this guy). After calling pre-flop, i am never folding to that flop, esp v his c-bet size, im not fishing here; just a good opportunity to float, i felt he was weak, wasn't sure if i had the best hand, but v this oppo i reckon he would bet flop bigger if he had qq, aq, kk, aa. So i was happy here, and was going rep the river if he checked (if i could with reason-- represent it) Could this work? could this oppo fold a Q if the flush came? suppose the regs could tell me. When i hit trips, im so happy to get it in, i make value raise to around 26, he snap calls and shows JJ! tbf it did look like a bluff from me as it looked like a brick on the river, should have shoved lol

    4. This looks terrible, BUT i have my reason, could shaw have JJ,1010,99, even aj,a10 . . well it looked that way(since i had not played these guys before, it should have been a fold) Getting 2-1, its very marginal but i felt it was a good spot to gamble, did not worry about the short stacker that much, but i miss read shaws hand with his strange line completely, i was drawing dead on the flop(pretty much) as i was vs AA, and KK lol, oh well...nh guys.

  • edited February 2012

    1. Fold, dead vs so many hands, flipping vs a lot more, beating virtually nothing.

    2. Think theres a case for making a bluffy looking raise, maybe make it 2-3x the pot. Shoving might be overkill.

    3. Just raise a standard amount £20 - £30 more.

    4. Saw this on TV, I think Billboys 3 bet size did you no favours, don't think shaw turns up with worse then QQ/AQ+ too often though.

  • edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Few hands to analyze...:
    on hand 3 you guys are aware hes made trips on river against a fish? flat and bluff him off? hope you guys have misread the hand. agree with the rest
    Posted by CrazyBen23
    i dont recognise the villain but against an unknown im still flatting - it just breaks my heart too much when they turn over A5, it also breaks my heart a little when they show QQ.  this happens to me a lot :(

    there is no doubting my nittiness :)
  • edited February 2012

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  • edited February 2012


    Hand History #479855558 (23:30 16/02/2012)


    Hand History #479854617 (23:28 16/02/2012)


    Thanks
  • edited February 2012

    Hi,

    Could you please let us know which tables they are from, as we can only show hands from the tables with the TV icons.

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    Sky Poker TV Team

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