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Is this river a standard Bet/Fold?
By the way, my small reraise on the turn was because Jack seemed quite timid and would only call decent raises with better hands, so I didn't think there was much value bumping it up to £3.50 or whatever...
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Should have put thses in earlier, I viewed Head as the main value of the table
DISCLAIMER: I play a mix of Cash, DYMs and MTTs, out of these cash is by far my weakest so if this is super standard don't cry.
Can I ever expect all 3 of them to fold to a flop cbet? Or are you including a double barrell?
I don't really understand your reasoning for your turn reraise- If Jack is quite a tight player, some of the hands he could be betting with already have you beat. The only reason I can think why you would reraise him is to ascertain his hand strength and if he calls you are going into cheap showdown mode, which you might not even get to. Its not unlikely someone has flopped a straight here (if they are weak players who may call big raises with connecting cards). With your pair on the turn, your kicker is only 10 high, so you aren't beating many of the Kings people could have. When Headroc calls your reraise, the alarm bells should probably be ringing. Could he have K8 or K9 here? Not likely I don't think. The flush is also out there which he could have.
On this street
I think I would just call Jack here. You could already be dead if he has turned the flush. This could mean Headroc reraises you. If he doesn't this makes the pot £5.30 rather than £8.50.
On the river -Headrock may bet if he has a straight or a flush here. The weak bets on the turn might make him think you both might free showdown (check your hands). If he bets £3.20 then you can call here with your pair of kings and get to showdown, assuming Jack just folds the river
That would mean you losing 80p preflop - £0 on the flop - 60p on the turn and £3.20 on the river
Thats £4.60. On your hand it was about £7.30 and you didn't get to see his cards at showdown.
When you have a really strong hand ideally I would want to be getting the money in as quickly as possible, but with top pair and a 10 kicker on this board composition, I would be trying to get to free showdown as cheap as possible and use the hand as a bluff catcher. One of the important things with vulnerable hands that are beat is to try and keep the pot small to make your losses a minimum. If the pot is smaller in my example of the hand, Headroc to get the pot to the size of what it is in your hand is going to have to raise merge and bet absolutely massive to split his hand into either a complete bluff or the near nuts, which more often that not will be the latter. This would be like a claxon in your ear that you are behind and should fold and even though you won't get to see his cards at showdown, you will know that you probably have made the right decision
Head was the main value i was talking about, so his turn call to me meant almost nothing, that's why I though there was some value to be had by B/Fing the river.
river is prob a check back. Missed draws fold anyway and a good few Kx beat you. Value betting pretty thin unless he calls very light
why raise turn when flush completes
when called on turn
give up on river
Although the flush has "completed" surely there is still a need on the turn to bet make him pay if he does have 1 high club along with say 2nd pair?
isolating with K10s in EP3 on 10 seater may be a little optimistic.
turn, meh. sometimes I'd raise, sometimes I'd flat. raise size isn't really big enough to get people off a draw.
river is a check behind, there isn't any thin value to be had on that board.
turn & river - would seem you have turned your hand into a bluff
would be ok if your aware oppo is looking to catch your bluffs
don't understand these over aggressive lines after you check flop, and when you have decent showdown
You don't seem to be putting your opponent on a hand you can beat, which can stand upto your bet on the river. You only have top pair with a 10 kicker.
You would be losing to all these hands
AK
KQ
KJ
2-3
5-6
4-3
4-5
K5
K6
2-2
3-3
6-6
There is a few others as well like over pairs and other weird two pairs and turn/river sets
You could beat
K7
K8
K9
6-7
A6
a flush draw on the turn which doesn't come in and they would check fold anyway.
There is a
2-3-5-6-K board by the river
Even if he flopped top pair. Do you think he is really going to be in the hand on the turn with something like A6 or at an absolute push 6-7. Would he be crazy enough to check raise the river with one of these hands?
There is nearly a straight on there if he has a 4 in his hand. There is also 3 to a flush.
With the way the action has gone and with a disaster card on the river- the 5 making you hand look even weaker as it increases the chances of him making 2 pair or a straight.
I think you must check here. If you are going for thin value betting on this board without a plan if you are reraised then that suggests you shouldn't do it at all. If you are confident you have the best hand you can do it, but I don't think you can be. You have been caught trying to skimp too much cream off the top and you got burnt for it
But it's been a unanimous no so I'll try and be less of a fish next time : )
If oppo always pays off with worse then it's ok, but then oppo gotta be really bad to call a turn raise with half a hand or with maybe a club and even if it hits it still may be no good
Your kinda hoping oppo has a bluff catcher type hand
is oppo really that bad )
Has oppo really got Kx9c type hand or Ac6x or any pr with club that doesn't bet flop
raising turn multi way is kinda risky isn't it with players behind
may check turn, v/b river
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