Opinions please

gracie24

Please look at my play. I was repping a heart flush against what I thought was AK or some such. I know the outcome was negative but should the villain have called with his hole cards?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
NINSNANNY	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2090.00
belsibub	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1940.00
	Your hole cards	5 A
otoole	Fold
gracie24	Call		30.00	75.00	1420.00
strobe	Call		30.00	105.00	1805.00
villan	Call		30.00	135.00	1440.00
NINSNANNY	Call		15.00	150.00	2075.00
belsibub	Check
Flop
		K 4 6
NINSNANNY	Check
belsibub	Check
gracie24	Bet		150.00	300.00	1270.00
strobe	Fold
villan	Call		150.00	450.00	1290.00
NINSNANNY	Call		150.00	600.00	1925.00
belsibub	Fold
Turn
		J
NINSNANNY	Check
gracie24	Check
villan	Bet		120.00	720.00	1170.00
NINSNANNY	Call		120.00	840.00	1805.00
gracie24	Call		120.00	960.00	1150.00
River
		7
NINSNANNY	Check
gracie24	All-in		1150.00	2110.00	0.00
villan	All-in		1170.00	3280.00	0.00
NINSNANNY	Fold
gav1979	Unmatched bet		20.00	3260.00	20.00
gracie24	Show	5 A
villan	Show	8 K
villan	Win	Pair of Kings	3260.00		3280.00

Dudeskin8

Raise or fold pre.

Check flop 5-way imo.

Turn call looks ok as pot odds are pretty good.

River I'd just check fold, people don't like folding pairs espeically top pairs so your shove isn't gonna work very often imo, against ME this might work but that's because I think about more than my own two cards.

Talon

  2 things jump out immediately with this hand and your comments.

 Firstly open limping is really bad especially from early to mid position with a marginal hand. Either raise or fold dont limp.

 Secondly: Betting patterns tell a story. You limped showing weakness and or a drawy type hand. You pot bet the flop which shows either that you have hit the flop or picked up a big draw.You then check/call the turn to show you are now not so sure of your hand or have missed your draw and are hoping to hit a river. When the river hits with the way you have played the hand it is a blank so the villain is fully entitled to put you on a bluff/missed draw.

 The main aspect to selling a story and getting a bluff through is to tell the correct story. Your story in this hand told the truth about your hand that you had the draw on the flop and missed. To tell the story of the heartflush would have required a check on the flop a big bet on the turn followed by the river push. You can not get these sort of moves through if your betting throughout the hand doesnt support them. Just remember you sold the story on the flop and turn of having the clb draw and then you seem in disbelief when your story on the river which contradicts your other story is not believed.


  But the main aspect for me in this hand is that you gave the villain the opportunity to hit the flop by not taking control preflop. Remove open limping from your game and you will see it improve.

gracie24

In Response to Re: Opinions please:

  2 things jump out immediately with this hand and your comments.  Firstly open limping is really bad especially from early to mid position with a marginal hand. Either raise or fold dont limp.  Secondly: Betting patterns tell a story. You limped showing weakness and or a drawy type hand. You pot bet the flop which shows either that you have hit the flop or picked up a big draw.You then check/call the turn to show you are now not so sure of your hand or have missed your draw and are hoping to hit a river. When the river hits with the way you have played the hand it is a blank so the villain is fully entitled to put you on a bluff/missed draw.  The main aspect to selling a story and getting a bluff through is to tell the correct story. Your story in this hand told the truth about your hand that you had the draw on the flop and missed. To tell the story of the heartflush would have required a check on the flop a big bet on the turn followed by the river push. You can not get these sort of moves through if your betting throughout the hand doesnt support them. Just remember you sold the story on the flop and turn of having the clb draw and then you seem in disbelief when your story on the river which contradicts your other story is not believed.   But the main aspect for me in this hand is that you gave the villain the opportunity to hit the flop by not taking control preflop. Remove open limping from your game and you will see it improve.

Good points - I confused myself and all others.
Posted by Talon

BorinLoner

I'll just back-up what Talon has already said: Limping pre-flop is really bad and your story doesn't make any sense. I can't elaborate much on what Talon has already said about that.

I would just like to give one piece of more general advice: You can never really represent a runner-runner flush against any player, mainly because nobody ever believes it. I will never look at a flop and think "He must have made his flush on the turn and river". I might think "He could have made his back-door flush here and I'm really unlucky if he has" but that's not going to be enough to make me fold. This is what makes the back-door flush such a powerful hand. Even when your opponents are afraid of it, they will never actually believe it.

YOUNG_GUN

Raise pre, never open limp!

flop fine, turn fine, River check/fold no point bluffing 5 way on the river ur never going to get them all to fold

grantorino

fold pre

bet flop smaller

Turn fine

river dont like for for two reasons. You dont really rep a backdoor fluh that well and unless you have reads dont expect anyone to fold

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