NL4 - Happy to get stack in here with draw?

EvilPingu

Figured I had at least 8 outs, maybe 14 outs if I'm against 2 Jx hands. Should I be getting my money in here, or will I lose money over time?

(Remembered to cut out the result, too )

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
merelco	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.45
west7575	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.27
	Your hole cards	Q K
dancity205	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£4.26
EvilPingu	Call		£0.08	£0.22	£3.70
lufc333	Call		£0.08	£0.30	£2.18
merelco	Fold
west7575	Fold
Flop
		10 3 J
dancity205	Bet		£0.15	£0.45	£4.11
EvilPingu	Call		£0.15	£0.60	£3.55
lufc333	Raise		£0.90	£1.50	£1.28
dancity205	Call		£0.75	£2.25	£3.36
EvilPingu	All-in

 

rancid

These spots only really become profitable long term if you have FE

Dudeskin8

The guy puts half his stack in so I presume he isn't folding much lol.

With this in mind if you're against AJ you are 50-50, against sets or 2pr this drops even lower so for me against his RANGE this has to be a fold, even more so as guy who covers you doesn't look like folding either.

cgoldie

Your less than 30% in most situations and don't have much invested. Unless you know both these guys can fold most of the time it's not a great spot. It's even worse if one folds and one calls making it only a 2 way pot.

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El_Mogul

Easy fold...

MP33

Persoanlly i don,t like flipping at NL4 for your whole stack which is effevtively what your doing

Don,t think you need to be chasing str8,s or even  flushes for a full buy in ,unless your getting the right odds and at a level when thers a lot less chance of ppl folding

MP

devonfish5

easy fold
lost 23p
nxt hand
devon

WHOAMI196

calling flop is fine, shoving is a bit spewy, give up on blank turn.

IDONKCALLU

if i had played this hand i am raising dan citys bet on the flop u want to be the aggressor not the caller here u have alot of outs and by raising dan citys bet u could take it down and any turn card can barrel semi bluff im never calling the flop bet 

EvilPingu

FWIW, I got 2 callers, one had J10 and the other had KK, I binked a 9 on the turn and won a pot of just under £10

rancid

Long term you'll lose money

grantorino

flatting flop cbet is better than raising imo and I think you can profitably flat the flop raise also

Shoving is prob marginally -EV but I reckon it must be pretty close