DYM hands - £5 Level -

rancid

Lost another session played 17, lost 11

A few important hands for you to look at please, what do we think
be brutal, need to fix this with your help
Thanks

1.

Hand History #483007411 (19:58 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rolo1	Small blind		100.00	100.00	860.00
MITCH38	Big blind		200.00	300.00	5320.00
	Your hole cards	6 A
Dudeskin8	Fold
rancid	All-in		1330.00	1630.00	0.00
rolo1	All-in		860.00	2490.00	0.00
MITCH38	Fold
rancid	Unmatched bet		370.00	2120.00	370.00
rolo1	Show	Q A
rancid	Show	6 A
Flop
		10 4 Q
Turn
		10
River
		4
rolo1	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 10s	2120.00		2120.00

2.

Hand History #483011698 (20:05 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rancid	Small blind		200.00	200.00	1860.00
rolo1	Big blind		400.00	600.00	990.00
	Your hole cards	J 9
MITCH38	Fold
Dudeskin8	Fold
rancid	All-in		1860.00	2460.00	0.00
rolo1	All-in		990.00	3450.00	0.00
rancid	Unmatched bet		670.00	2780.00	670.00
rancid	Show	J 9
rolo1	Show	9 A
Flop
		3 5 K
Turn
		4
River
		10
rolo1	Win	Ace high	2780.00		2780.00

3.

Hand History #483010975 (20:05 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
FullyUK	Small blind		150.00	150.00	1990.00
pingu07	Big blind		300.00	450.00	4635.00
	Your hole cards	2 2
slocombe24	Call		300.00	750.00	3615.00
rancid	All-in		1010.00	1760.00	0.00
FullyUK	Fold
pingu07	Call		710.00	2470.00	3925.00
slocombe24	Call		710.00	3180.00	2905.00
Flop
		Q 9 8
pingu07	Check
slocombe24	All-in		2905.00	6085.00	0.00
pingu07	Fold
slocombe24	Unmatched bet		2905.00	3180.00	2905.00
slocombe24	Show	8 8
rancid	Show	2 2
Turn
		4
River
		J
slocombe24	Win	Three 8s	3180.00		6085.00

4.

Hand History #483097438 (22:05 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cenachav	Small blind		75.00	75.00	1745.00
pokermask	Big blind		150.00	225.00	2710.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
edrich	Fold
Jimbobadob	Fold
rancid	All-in		1345.00	1570.00	0.00
yidette9	Fold
cenachav	All-in		1745.00	3315.00	0.00
pokermask	Fold
cenachav	Unmatched bet		475.00	2840.00	475.00
cenachav	Show	K K
rancid	Show	10 10
Flop
		7 3 4
Turn
		2
River
		J
cenachav	Win	Pair of Kings	2840.00		3315.00

5.

Hand History #483122556 (22:41 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dodgemdave	Small blind		150.00	150.00	2252.50
mag70	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1632.50
	Your hole cards	A 9
bignorm007	Fold
rancid	All-in		1535.00	1985.00	0.00
chezza57	Fold
darkie6212	Fold
dodgemdave	Call		1385.00	3370.00	867.50
mag70	Fold
dodgemdave	Show	K A
rancid	Show	A 9
Flop
		8 9 K
Turn
		6
River
		J
dodgemdave	Win	Pair of Kings	3370.00		4237.50

6.

Hand History #483127694 (22:49 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bob1948	Small blind		25.00	25.00	4475.00
spidda	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1920.00
	Your hole cards	K 7
SHANXTA	Fold
cgoldie	Fold
rancid	Raise		150.00	225.00	1025.00
bob1948	Call		125.00	350.00	4350.00
spidda	Fold
Flop
		5 9 K
bob1948	Check
rancid	Check
Turn
		2
bob1948	Check
rancid	Check
River
		3
bob1948	Check
rancid	Bet		175.00	525.00	850.00
bob1948	All-in		4350.00	4875.00	0.00
rancid	All-in		850.00	5725.00	0.00
bob1948	Unmatched bet		3325.00	2400.00	3325.00
bob1948	Show	K 9
rancid	Show	K 7
bob1948	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 9s	2400.00		5725.00

7.

Hand History #483148015 (23:18 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mkgunner	Small blind		150.00	150.00	2720.00
boneyboy05	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1260.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
edrich	Raise		900.00	1350.00	725.00
BChuckle	Fold
cenachav	Fold
rancid	All-in		1210.00	2560.00	0.00
mkgunner	Fold
boneyboy05	Fold
edrich	Call		310.00	2870.00	415.00
edrich	Show	K K
rancid	Show	10 10
Flop
		2 5 5
Turn
		4
River
		9
edrich	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 5s	2870.00		3285.00

8.

Hand History #483149522 (23:20 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
grabber	Small blind		100.00	100.00	3520.00
rancid	Big blind		200.00	300.00	1120.00
	Your hole cards	10 K
ian1966	Fold
xxxDEANOxx	Call		200.00	500.00	4540.00
grabber	Call		100.00	600.00	3420.00
rancid	Check
Flop
		2 7 5
grabber	Bet		200.00	800.00	3220.00
rancid	All-in		1120.00	1920.00	0.00
xxxDEANOxx	Fold
grabber	Call		920.00	2840.00	2300.00
grabber	Show	5 5
rancid	Show	10 K
Turn
		10
River
		7
grabber	Win	Full House, 5s and 7s	2840.00		5140.00

9.

Hand History #483154797 (23:29 23/02/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
flushoff7	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2095.00
Summfurd	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1820.00
	Your hole cards	A A
edrich	Fold
chinchin	Call		30.00	75.00	1930.00
rancid	Raise		120.00	195.00	1780.00
jimbles95	Fold
flushoff7	Fold
Summfurd	Fold
chinchin	Call		90.00	285.00	1840.00
Flop
		9 A Q
chinchin	Bet		150.00	435.00	1690.00
rancid	Raise		442.50	877.50	1337.50
chinchin	Call		292.50	1170.00	1397.50
Turn
		5
chinchin	All-in		1397.50	2567.50	0.00
rancid	All-in		1337.50	3905.00	0.00
chinchin	Unmatched bet		60.00	3845.00	60.00
chinchin	Show	8 6
rancid	Show	A A
River
		10
chinchin	Win	Flush to the Queen	3845.00		3905.00

10.

Hand History #483167582 (23:53 23/02/2012)

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Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cenachav	Small blind		150.00	150.00	2095.00
flushoff7	Big blind		300.00	450.00	4195.00
	Your hole cards	A K
rancid	All-in		2355.00	2805.00	0.00
cobbler78	Fold
cenachav	All-in		2095.00	4900.00	0.00
flushoff7	Fold
rancid	Unmatched bet		110.00	4790.00	110.00
cenachav	Show	J A
rancid	Show	A K
Flop
		9 8 K
Turn
		5
River
		7
cenachav	Win	Flush to the King	4790.00

Poker_Fail

1)On the bubble = fold

2) just fold, shortstacks will call this too wide against you, could easily have a better hand too, you have a just about playable stack too

3) tough spot having only 1k, I doubt he's ever folding. He has 3.6k so if he's not an idiot will only be in the hand with a decent holding, or if he is an idiot calling light, wouldn't even fold 67suited for another 700 chips lol. However, if you fold you either have to shove next hand UTG or Pray you win in the BB.

I think shove is probably actually the best play here, even if you fold and magically get a blind steal through you will still be very understacked, so taking what is probably a flip to potentially win 2.5k would be my plan

4)Standard

5) better leave it to someone who grinds them properly, this spot sucks

6) I would have gone broke well before the river, when shortstacked that's a greaaaatttt flop, need to be getting some value in there.

7) When people raise half their stack instead of shoving they're usually very strong eg AA KK QQ AK etc you unless you have specific reads that he is this kind of oppo you have to shove

8) In an £11 DYM, I'd prefer a squeeze pre as being a bit aggro pays off, in a £5 DYM I like how you played it, you'd normally have a load of FE, winning the pot there and then brings you back to 2k, if he calls you still have decentish equity vs most of his hands

9) You gotta go broke IMO

10) Standard, ul (his call is very bad though)

11) Other oppo has 3k? yeh gotta shove IMO


Pick me apart people who actually grind DYMs!!!

SHANXTA

At first glance,

hands 1 + 3 + 6 are folds

hands 4 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 are standard ul

Poker_Fail

Shanxta's much better than me ignore what I said and listen to him!

My record's not too bad though :P

@SHANXTA could you please read my post and show me my thought process mistakes : )
I'll never grind them properly but I do play them occasionally

EvilPingu

1 = I think there's a case for shoving, I probably shove but tbh, folding is probably the better play :S

2 = UL to be dominated, but I think it's a fold. Opponent is calling quite wide here, and J9 doesn't play brilliantly against his range.

3 = Awkward spot with the limper. You know he's never folding for another 700 once you've limped for 300, so I might find a fold here, and shove ATC UTG next hand. Depends how much he's been limp/folding previously, but generally, I think this is a fold.

4 = Standard

5 = Pretty standard, folding isn't terrible, shoving isn't terrible either. I probably favour shoving with A9 to folding at that stage.

6 = Easy fold pre.

7 = Fold IMO as the raise is from UTG. UTG raiser has shown strength, he's never folding, 10's are almost always either flipping or behind in them kind of spots. Everyone always says "I hate Jacks", but 10's are a million times worse. I'd rather shove ATC from the cutoff next hand than shove the 10's here. FWIW, I think JJ is a probably a shove in that spot, but 10's go in the muck for me.

8 = With stack sizes, I think as played, this is standard, UL that opponent had a set this time. Jamming pre would probably be slightly better than just checking IMO.

9 = WTF is villain doing in the pot with 68 in a DYM? UL, and make note on opponent.

10 = Standard, UL. I'm not too keen on the villain's call with AJ in a DYM, it's not terrible but it's not great either.

11 = Standard with stack sizes, UL.

rancid

Cheers for input, here's mine -

1.  6 bigs, blinds will be going through me and I am secound shortie

          I  have an ace on the btn, gotta be ahead of ss sb and bb can’t call without a            premium hand – surely I can’t fold but maybe I should as I am placing myself in a bad spot

2.     2. bvb , I gotta smash this oppo about – me or him ? Maybe being too aggro given I am very likely going to be called and if called will be beaten

3.      3. I have a pair, not loving it but only got 3  bigs, maybe should fold with no FE I am racing at best

4.     4. co 10’s 9 bigs, can’t raise, can’t fold = shove

5.      5. mp A9, 5 bigs – can I fold ?

6.     6. decide to pop btn w/K7, flops good, c/c bluff catching on good run out all day w/reads, what 2 pair -

7.     7. btn 10’s 4 bigs, how do I fold – open is obvious hand – should know oppo only ever has premium – should fold but because I only have 4 bigs I shove

8.     8. Gonna ship pre but 2 limps, thought one would call – flop = get em in

9.     9. Should of folded turn, but couldn’t – had outs – may have had other holdings

10. 10. Just sux

11. 11. Ace btn 4 bigs – shove

 

Maybe certain spots I am placing myself in danger while being too aggro, but don’t think being aggro is a bad thing

I should fold more, obviously

Don’t think I am doing that much wrong :S

 

Comments welcome

 

:

cgoldie

1. I would possible open fold here unless the BB is being a wimp and will fold to the sb. if he doubles b4 it gets to you then get light.

2. same as above

3. insta fold

4. Shove, unlucky he had KK

5. fold its still 6 handed

6. Consider folding pre. Fold the river to all in. Your hand is weak and he's repping a strong K or better.

7. Consider folding your a race at best he's UTG and he's commited. It's still 6 handed there would be better spots.

8. Call min or fold, push the turn if you hit your draw, k or 10. You should never be pushing a draw here.

9. Fold your 6 handed and he is most likely on the draw.

10. Very unlucky.

11. If shanxta wasnt a short stack then it's a push. Unlucky he had ak.

It looks like you are to aggro earlier on when it's still 5-6 handed and your not hit by the blinds often. You need to pick your spots here on who can fold and why rather than purely what hand you have. 

Also seems you are to light on the bubble in some spots when someone else is shorter than you. Let the shorter players take on the big stacks if you can or be blinded out, if he catches up then try and get him all in aganst you or bully the mid stacks for blinds.

rancid

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

1. I would possible open fold here unless the BB is being a wimp and will fold to the sb. if he doubles b4 it gets to you then get light. 2. same as above 3. insta fold 4. Shove, unlucky he had KK 5. fold its still 6 handed 6. Consider folding pre. Fold the river to all in. Your hand is weak and he's repping a strong K or better. 7. Consider folding your a race at best he's UTG and he's commited. It's still 6 handed there would be better spots. 8. Call min or fold, push the turn if you hit your draw, k or 10. You should never be pushing a draw here. 9. Fold your 6 handed and he is most likely on the draw. 10. Very unlucky. 11. If shanxta wasnt a short stack then it's a push. Unlucky he had ak. It looks like you are to aggro earlier on when it's still 5-6 handed and your not hit by the blinds often. You need to pick your spots here on who can fold and why rather than purely what hand you have.  Also seems you are to light on the bubble in some spots when someone else is shorter than you. Let the shorter players take on the big stacks if you can or be blinded out, if he catches up then try and get him all in aganst you or bully the mid stacks for blinds.
Posted by cgoldie

Thanks for your input

8 of these are shoves, only one I go in ahead AKvAJ
While I may say I am UL to run into better hands, maybe I need to look at these situational spots
Run some ICM on these hands and the majority are fine shoves based on perceived calling ranges


My calling ranges for oppo may be too narrow, if I widen calling range then I should narrow my shoving range-
Vice versa if oppo calling range is narrow then I can widen my shoving range.

Does this make sense :S

I just hate being blinded down

cgoldie

I wouldnt rely on ICM to much as it can be very wrong and too wide as its a DYM. On the bubble it's absolutely fine to be on a shoving range that lowers your equity whilst there are shorter stacks there. I know that sounds stupid but because your not going for the win you can afford to be negative and slowly go down until someone slips up and it ends or the short stack catches up. At the most you should be looking to break even if the gap between the short stack and you isn't massive.

Not sure what ranges you have people on specifically but generally the big/short stacks are wider on the BB and the mid stacks that can't afford to take a hit are very tight. The short stacks are always much tighter and easy to push through outside of the blind if your on the bubble. I'm always in favour of shoving the mid stacks BB's if you can even if it means pushing through an extra person unless your pushing through a big stack aswell.

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

1. I would possible open fold here unless the BB is being a wimp and will fold to the sb. if he doubles b4 it gets to you then get light. 2. same as above 3. insta fold 4. Shove, unlucky he had KK 5. fold its still 6 handed 6. Consider folding pre. Fold the river to all in. Your hand is weak and he's repping a strong K or better. 7. Consider folding your a race at best he's UTG and he's commited. It's still 6 handed there would be better spots. 8. Call min or fold, push the turn if you hit your draw, k or 10. You should never be pushing a draw here. 9. Fold your 6 handed and he is most likely on the draw. 10. Very unlucky. 11. If shanxta wasnt a short stack then it's a push. Unlucky he had ak. It looks like you are to aggro earlier on when it's still 5-6 handed and your not hit by the blinds often. You need to pick your spots here on who can fold and why rather than purely what hand you have.  Also seems you are to light on the bubble in some spots when someone else is shorter than you. Let the shorter players take on the big stacks if you can or be blinded out, if he catches up then try and get him all in aganst you or bully the mid stacks for blinds.
Posted by cgoldie

if this is true then it's an obv fold, however it's not

he has ~6 bigs, flatting is bad, he has fold equity and when he does get called often has 2 overs along with the draw, standard shove

i don't see how being 6 handed is too relevent, the flop went HU, there are other hands he can have other than a flush

YOUNG_GUN

1. Fold pre as sb has less

2. dunno very marginal so probably a fold altho i dont like donating to shortie, maybe if u think he folds sometimes here then its a shove

3. Seems unlucky but its not id fold we have no FE and at best will be flipping, wait for a better spot

4. Cooler UL

5. Yer again fine ul

6. I think well played up to river though, unless u think he can bluff cant really call. Cos ur stack may even just fold pre depending on blind read

7. this is a real tough spot because i know the villain is the tightest player in the world literally yesterday i shoved 95% of hands vs him over 10 games he didnt call once so him opening always has it here. No reads its a cooler though.

8. Fine UL

Cant be @rsed to read more sorry maybe later, too many hands for one thread

Can i jus ask you always seem to be short in shoving spots so must be other problems when you get to shoving time you should have around 2k really most the time.

rancid

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level - : if this is true then it's an obv fold, however it's not he has ~6 bigs, flatting is bad, he has fold equity and when he does get called often has 2 overs along with the draw, standard shove i don't see how being 6 handed is too relevent, the flop went HU, there are other hands he can have other than a flush
Posted by SHANXTA

Shanxta

You have not commented on 2,5 & 11 - what do you think on these hands

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level - : Shanxta You have not commented on 2,5 & 11 - what do you think on these hands
Posted by rancid

fold, fine, fine

cgoldie

Without specific reads the majority of hands an opponents going to push here are 2 overs or better. Even with just one over it's a 70/30 and he's almost never folding. It's better to just fold here than take a flip.

He's pushing into 2 oppo, one who's has already bet they can find plenty of calls on the board. Even if one calls with A-junk he's still only 55% ish for a double up. I suppose flatting isn't great but he'd have a better idea of where he stood on the turn. If he folds and pushes another hand pre or just pushes the k10 pre he can get more fold equity than on the flop.

The fact he is 6 handed still and the blinds are low makes a big diff. The blinds hit less and he can still recover his stack plenty before it's even near the bubble. Why take such a risk even if he has the best hand 75% of the time he'd be losing 25% of games in this spot so early on without gaining enough equity back.

rancid

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

1. Fold pre as sb has less 2. dunno very marginal so probably a fold altho i dont like donating to shortie, maybe if u think he folds sometimes here then its a shove 3. Seems unlucky but its not id fold we have no FE and at best will be flipping, wait for a better spot 4. Cooler UL 5. Yer again fine ul 6. I think well played up to river though, unless u think he can bluff cant really call. Cos ur stack may even just fold pre depending on blind read 7. this is a real tough spot because i know the villain is the tightest player in the world literally yesterday i shoved 95% of hands vs him over 10 games he didnt call once so him opening always has it here. No reads its a cooler though. 8. Fine UL Cant be @rsed to read more sorry maybe later, too many hands for one thread Can i jus ask you always seem to be short in shoving spots so must be other problems when you get to shoving time you should have around 2k really most the time.
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Just the way it goes sometimes, not like I am splashing around )

MP33

Noticed some decent players in there

I,d check out SS and try and pick some easier games

Having said that not played DYM,s for a while and know they,re not as easy as when 1st cvame out on here

MP

grantorino

in hand 1 surely big blind should be snapping with any 2 once sb calls?

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: DYM hands - £5 Level -:

in hand 1 surely big blind should be snapping with any 2 once sb calls?
Posted by grantorino

Yes but sadly some players are very new to poker let alone optimal DYM strategy