I'm going to Goa for two weeks in a five star hotel and got loads of change from 5 grand. I think I'd rather do that for a fortnight than play and lose a game of poker.
Was Lolufold against MrWinCash (Some new Finnish player)... Biggest pots were 99 v QQ 3bet pot.. flop 992 (Lolufold held 9s).. Other biggest pot was 76o vs 89o on K-4-5-7-3 Lolufold held 76, MrWincash 3bet preflop then barreled every street and shoved the river.. river card gave Lolufold the straight which he then check called his shove
In Response to Re: £10,000 POT, WOW. : Ask tikay about pros and bankroll management i bet they aint all got good bankroll management and aint as flush as we think Posted by loonytoons
That, sadly, is true. You said "most", & "most" is, I'm afraid, correct.
I could write 10,000 words on how bad most "pro" (so-called) players BM is, & still not tell you half the story.
A few snippets.
A Brit won a Bracelet in Vegas a few years ago. Set for life, with that money? Not quite. He left for home two days later. Penniless. He's perma-skint, & a serial-nipper. Nice bloke, but when I see him coming, I look the other way, when he rings me, I bounce the call. I KNOW he's trying to nip me for a buy-in. He does not mean to grim players, & he pays back when he's flush - not often - but he's just a sick, compulsive, degen gambler. It's an illness. When foljks ask me "who is best?", these guys can't be included, because BM is THE primary tool a poker player needs to survive. The only good Pros are the ones that last for a long time. The rest all go busto.
An American Pro was a Bracelet in Vegas a year or so later. He was Jack The Lad for 6 months, spraying money around. Within a year, he was in Prison for fraud, & grimming players left right & centre. Including me, for several thousand quid.
A "European Rankings Top Ten" player in recent years is far & away the UK's worst serial nipper. He owes, I reckon, over 100 players, & his debt to the poker circuit is probz £250,000. He made a BIG Final Table a while back, & the "Rail" was the biggest ever for such an Event, all willing him on to victory. Because they were all owed money by him. One bloke traveled 150 miles so that he could be there when our man Cashed, & have a chance of getting paid.
The Big Money Poker Circuit - Live & Online - relies on credit, nipping, borrowing, & staking. Like the real world economy, the wheels will all fall off quite soon. Mark my words. I know young men who are 6 figures in debt due to poker. There is a dark side to poker.
But a sunny side too, & many of the real Pros are excellent at BM. Think of Joe Beevers, Simon Trumper, guys who have, somehow, survived for a decade or more.
Julian Thew has won over three quarters of a million in Tourneys in the last 3 years, & has not leaked a single penny. He paid off his mortgage (6 figures), paid - cash - for a £350,00 extension to his home, & invested the rest for his three kids. Now THATS a real Pro.
Stick to fun stakes, what you can afford to lose, & never ever borrow money to play poker. And never LEND money to other poker players. I wish I'd heeded that last item, I'd be 5 figures better off.
If seeing big pots floats your boat, well watch others do it. For every big winner, there's a big loser.
This year alone, two of my dear friends have been declared bankrupt, & it nearly brings me to tears to see them suffer so.
All that glitters is not gold.
Stick to fun stakes, & play within your Bankroll. The Beats don't hurt then. If you don't, it will end in tears. Nothing is so certain.
I may not have been on this forum for very long, but that has to be one of the finest posts - Cheers Tikay, hopefully those words keep a few people grounded
there was a certainplayer on here that people will know who they are who called me for £300 a while ago on a 1 outer and he hit it on river lol his reply was its only £300, now its players like that who have more money than sense gone are my big table days now!
I've spent the evening trying to recall how many UK Pros I know who are wealthy, or able to lead a comfortable lifestyle, without worrying about money.
I came up with about 4.
It's NOT easy to make big money at poker. Those who do, in the main, earn it "off-table", via interests in Online Rooms or suchlike.
Just to vary the slant on what I said earlier. I've spent the evening trying to recall how many UK Pros I know who are wealthy, or able to lead a comfortable lifestyle, without worrying about money. I came up with about 4. It's NOT easy to make big money at poker. Those who do, in the main, earn it "off-table", via interests in Online Rooms or suchlike. Play small + enjoy big + owe nobody = worry none. Posted by Tikay10
A lot of sense talked here. As has been said before play within your means always. At a level lower than the one Tikay talks about I have seen excellent poker players come and go over the years. One guy split from his wife, sold the house to bankroll himself in his dream of being a top rank pro. He lost the lot in under 2 years. Good players vanish with great regularity. Enjoy poker and improve your game but remember less than 1% make a profit in the long term. I know I am repeating what I have posted here before many times, but it's the truth.
Last thing.....ask yourself am I a poker player or a gambler ......there is a big differece in my book.
Ask Tikay when he last backed a horse....it might surprise you. I don't know the answer he'll give but I think I can guess.
A lot of sense talked here. As has been said before play within your means always. At a level lower than the one Tikay talks about I have seen excellent poker players come and go over the years. One guy split from his wife, sold the house to bankroll himself in his dream of being a top rank pro. He lost the lot in under 2 years. Good players vanish with great regularity. Enjoy poker and improve your game but remember less than 1% make a profit in the long term. I know I am repeating what I have posted here before many times, but it's the truth. Last thing.....ask yourself am I a poker player or a gambler ......there is a big differece in my book. Ask Tikay when he last backed a horse....it might surprise you. I don't know the answer he'll give but I think I can guess. Posted by elsadog
1983, I think. Mind you, I lost enough before that to last a lifetime!
I bet on everything at one stage, with bookies, on the spreads, the lot. But I've not had a single bet on anything since the day I started poker.
In Response to Re: £10,000 POT, WOW. : 1983, I think. Mind you, I lost enough before that to last a lifetime! I bet on everything at one stage, with bookies, on the spreads, the lot. But I've not had a single bet on anything since the day I started poker. Posted by Tikay10
I can say the same goes for me, I no longer bother with sports betting, casino games or any other form of gambling.
Thats nothing,,250/500 cash 2 players,, was with a pro mate of mine in his appt,,,1am about 6 months ago,, 25k in front of him,,he had aj, diamonds 3 x raise,bloke calls, flop came ace spades, jack clubs, 4 diamonds, my mate pots bet, the other bloke calls, turn was jack spades,,full house,,checks this,,guy pushes all in ,my mate cant all quick enough with full house,,,, over 50 k in the pot,,,,fella turns over queen and king of spades,,,RIVER 9 OF SPADES,,my mate was as cool as a cucumber when he collected,,,,but he said after that was the right move from him....
Right move or not,,i could not risk a years salary on a semi-bluff,,,could you?
Your money should be on Launder for one of two reasons:
He works for sky and is making them money by fixing hands
He is not accually real, he is a poker bot
I know how it might sound but ive watched him and he hits mirical after mirical. He re-raises with rubbish but always comes out on top. He starts by losing a few hands then you watch him go, it is unbelievable (literaly)
Ask yourself why he never talks in the chat box, he has never been a phone in guest on sky poker, he has never been shown on sky poker in real life at say the WSOP event, or any event.
I am taking stats and watching ALOT of the table it sits on, im going to prove it.
my money's on launder Your money should be on Launder for one of two reasons: He works for sky and is making them money by fixing hands He is not accually real, he is a poker bot I know how it might sound but ive watched him and he hits mirical after mirical. He re-raises with rubbish but always comes out on top. He starts by losing a few hands then you watch him go, it is unbelievable (literaly) Ask yourself why he never talks in the chat box, he has never been a phone in guest on sky poker, he has never been shown on sky poker in real life at say the WSOP event, or any event. I am taking stats and watching ALOT of the table it sits on, im going to prove it. Posted by SAFCarmy
my money's on launder Your money should be on Launder for one of two reasons: He works for sky and is making them money by fixing hands He is not accually real, he is a poker bot I know how it might sound but ive watched him and he hits mirical after mirical. He re-raises with rubbish but always comes out on top. He starts by losing a few hands then you watch him go, it is unbelievable (literaly) Ask yourself why he never talks in the chat box, he has never been a phone in guest on sky poker, he has never been shown on sky poker in real life at say the WSOP event, or any event. I am taking stats and watching ALOT of the table it sits on, im going to prove it. Posted by SAFCarmy
I've never heard complaint of poker bots on sky, i think as there are very few real money web browser based poker platforms the bots to hit these kinds of sites are not readily available. i can guarantee that he doesn't work for sky on some kind of "Super User" account which seems to be what your saying. People always come up with these Theory's but you have to remember your dealing with one of the biggest media companies the world has to offer. Poker is not inly not Sky's main business interest but it would make up a pretty insignificant part of their income. (not saying the players are insignificant to sky, just the volume of money) Do you honestly think they would allow this to happen? the negative publicity of this kind of scandal would do untold harm to Sky as a corporation while the gain from allowing it to occur would be .....errrrmmmmmm....... wait a min i'm thinking..................No, No sorry can't think of one
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I think I'd rather do that for a fortnight than play and lose a game of poker.
I don't panic over winning the 80p - it's the losing it that get's me twitching!!
I could write 10,000 words on how bad most "pro" (so-called) players BM is, & still not tell you half the story.
A few snippets.
A Brit won a Bracelet in Vegas a few years ago. Set for life, with that money? Not quite. He left for home two days later. Penniless. He's perma-skint, & a serial-nipper. Nice bloke, but when I see him coming, I look the other way, when he rings me, I bounce the call. I KNOW he's trying to nip me for a buy-in. He does not mean to grim players, & he pays back when he's flush - not often - but he's just a sick, compulsive, degen gambler. It's an illness. When foljks ask me "who is best?", these guys can't be included, because BM is THE primary tool a poker player needs to survive. The only good Pros are the ones that last for a long time. The rest all go busto.
An American Pro was a Bracelet in Vegas a year or so later. He was Jack The Lad for 6 months, spraying money around. Within a year, he was in Prison for fraud, & grimming players left right & centre. Including me, for several thousand quid.
A "European Rankings Top Ten" player in recent years is far & away the UK's worst serial nipper. He owes, I reckon, over 100 players, & his debt to the poker circuit is probz £250,000. He made a BIG Final Table a while back, & the "Rail" was the biggest ever for such an Event, all willing him on to victory. Because they were all owed money by him. One bloke traveled 150 miles so that he could be there when our man Cashed, & have a chance of getting paid.
The Big Money Poker Circuit - Live & Online - relies on credit, nipping, borrowing, & staking. Like the real world economy, the wheels will all fall off quite soon. Mark my words. I know young men who are 6 figures in debt due to poker. There is a dark side to poker.
But a sunny side too, & many of the real Pros are excellent at BM. Think of Joe Beevers, Simon Trumper, guys who have, somehow, survived for a decade or more.
Julian Thew has won over three quarters of a million in Tourneys in the last 3 years, & has not leaked a single penny. He paid off his mortgage (6 figures), paid - cash - for a £350,00 extension to his home, & invested the rest for his three kids. Now THATS a real Pro.
Stick to fun stakes, what you can afford to lose, & never ever borrow money to play poker. And never LEND money to other poker players. I wish I'd heeded that last item, I'd be 5 figures better off.
If seeing big pots floats your boat, well watch others do it. For every big winner, there's a big loser.
This year alone, two of my dear friends have been declared bankrupt, & it nearly brings me to tears to see them suffer so.
All that glitters is not gold.
Stick to fun stakes, & play within your Bankroll. The Beats don't hurt then. If you don't, it will end in tears. Nothing is so certain.
nice post tikay think moral of it dont lose what u cant afford stick within your budget
his reply was its only £300, now its players like that who have more money than sense
gone are my big table days now!
Just to vary the slant on what I said earlier.
I've spent the evening trying to recall how many UK Pros I know who are wealthy, or able to lead a comfortable lifestyle, without worrying about money.
I came up with about 4.
It's NOT easy to make big money at poker. Those who do, in the main, earn it "off-table", via interests in Online Rooms or suchlike.
Play small + enjoy big + owe nobody = worry none.
Last thing.....ask yourself am I a poker player or a gambler ......there is a big differece in my book.
Ask Tikay when he last backed a horse....it might surprise you. I don't know the answer he'll give but I think I can guess.
I bet on everything at one stage, with bookies, on the spreads, the lot. But I've not had a single bet on anything since the day I started poker.
Right move or not,,i could not risk a years salary on a semi-bluff,,,could you?
by the way he has a rolling fund of £200k
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