Is the jam OK here?

Slykllist · March 2012

My exit from tonights main event after 4 hrs of play, table had tightened up as everyone had big enough stacks to damage each other. The guy utg had been pretty active but not crazy, I was putting him on AK, AQ, AJ possible KQ range.

Question I guess is out of position, given my read do we prefer a jam pre or a flat and then jam any flop with no A or K?

I know in this particular situation it doesn't matter as he's probably calling a shve on this flop anyway, but I mean generally in this spot?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Slykllist	Small blind		1250.00	1250.00	31515.48
69winsalot	Big blind		2500.00	3750.00	57933.13
	Your hole cards	J J
BenAces	Raise		5000.00	8750.00	40060.00
goldenb238	Fold
panderys1	Fold
super_fly	Fold
Slykllist	All-in		31515.48	40265.48	0.00
69winsalot	Fold
BenAces	Call		27765.48	68030.96	12294.52
Slykllist	Show	J J
BenAces	Show	K A
Flop
		2 9 6
Turn
		6
River
		3
BenAces	Win	Flush to the Ace	68030.96		80325.48

BorinLoner · March 2012

So if you go for the stop and go, are you check-folding on any board with an Ace, King or Queen? What about the times he has TT and c-bets the Ace-high flop?

I think, more importantly, that you need to have an appreciation of the value of the dead money to your stack. Add 8750 to your 31515 stack and you should be very happy. I think at this stage of a tournament an opening min-bet represents a broad range of hands for most players: Anything from JT+ and any pocket pair. We're ahead of that range, most of which will fold to our raise. Those hands that call our raise could include AQ, AK or a pair from 99+, so we like a call from some hands too.

I don't like a stop and go since we're paying 1/6 of our stack for the call and putting our faith in the flop to not bring an overcard and that will happen 50% of the time. Even if it doesn't bring an overcard, the stop and go still loses our stack if they're holding QQ, KK or AA and means we don't get paid by AK, AQ or AJ. That might sound like we're being results-oriented but if I gave you a flop of 6,2,9 and told you your opponent had AK, would you really still want to shove on them? Do you want them to fold their 6-outer without getting more value? It also gives our opponent the chance to outdraw us with weaker hands than JJ and that's a chance we don't need to give them.

Shove pre-flop and be happy if you take down the dead money. If you're called, you still could be flipping or even in front.

Slykllist · March 2012

In Response to Re: Is the jam OK here?:

So if you go for the stop and go, are you check-folding on any board with an Ace, King or Queen? What about the times he has TT and c-bets the Ace-high flop? I think, more importantly, that you need to have an appreciation of the value of the dead money to your stack. Add 8750 to your 31515 stack and you should be very happy. I think at this stage of a tournament an opening min-bet represents a broad range of hands for most players: Anything from JT+ and any pocket pair. We're ahead of that range, most of which will fold to our raise. Those hands that call our raise could include AQ, AK or a pair from 99+, so we like a call from some hands too. I don't like a stop and go since we're paying 1/6 of our stack for the call and putting our faith in the flop to not bring an overcard and that will happen 50% of the time. Even if it doesn't bring an overcard, the stop and go still loses our stack if they're holding QQ, KK or AA and means we don't get paid by AK, AQ or AJ. That might sound like we're being results-oriented but if I gave you a flop of 6,2,9 and told you your opponent had AK, would you really still want to shove on them? Do you want them to fold their 6-outer without getting more value? It also gives our opponent the chance to outdraw us with weaker hands than JJ and that's a chance we don't need to give them. Shove pre-flop and be happy if you take down the dead money. If you're called, you still could be flipping or even in front.
Posted by BorinLoner

Hey, you might be new here but that's blindingly good and resoned advice - thankyou for taking the time.