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Im giving up!

edited March 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
mclellan07 Small blind  25.00 25.00 2525.00
ClintonH83 Big blind  50.00 75.00 1242.50
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
VERT69 Fold     
Renhar Call  50.00 125.00 2485.00
cecil820 Fold     
mclellan07 Fold     
ClintonH83 Raise  200.00 325.00 1042.50
Renhar Call  200.00 525.00 2285.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • 9
  • Q
     
ClintonH83 Bet  525.00 1050.00 517.50
Renhar Raise  1050.00 2100.00 1235.00
ClintonH83 All-in  517.50 2617.50 0.00
Renhar Unmatched bet  7.50 2610.00 1242.50
ClintonH83 Show
  • K
  • A
   
Renhar Show
  • Q
  • 5
   
Turn
   
  • Q
     
River
   
  • Q
     
Renhar Win Four Queens 2610.00  3852.50
I think im going to have to give up! i can take all your advice but what can i do when im losing money hand over fist like this..
someone will come on now and say i shud of gone all in on the flop or folded but at the end of the day this is a joke! sick of it

Comments

  • edited March 2012
    Just a cooler fella. No idea what villain was doing in this hand tbh.

    You want him to call your raise because 9/10 you`re gonna win.

    Not to be this time. Run better & gl.
  • edited March 2012
    OOP I just jam pre, saves ugly spots post when you brick flop.
  • edited March 2012
    Don't dwell on the hands you lose. Variance is a killer but most of the time we'll win when we get it in as a favourite. You were about 80% to win this but that still means you'll lose it once in every five times. Don't focus on the bad beats: You can't stop them happening.

    Even top players don't escape variance. Look at James Atkin's scope numbers: I think his ROI is about 14%. He's miles better than the players he's playing against but his edge is only worth 14%. It's hard to win at poker.
  • edited March 2012

    its a horrible, sick, annoying game but i love it haha

    Thanks again for all your feed back, i appreciate it :) im just going to have to keep playing and learning

    Do any of you know a site that i can check out that gives you advice on hands to raise with and how much in certain position and stack sizes?

  • edited March 2012
    Try the Pokerstars Online Poker School, theres a chart I've got that tells you what you should do in each position, and it changes depending on if someone before you has limped, raised etc. Again don't take this as gospel as every hand is different but it may give you a good idea. Not sure exactly where is it but its worth checking it out!
  • edited March 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    roper10 Small blind  50.00 50.00 6370.00
    zhuzh Big blind  100.00 150.00 1940.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    gjd9 Fold     
    gemmatut23 Fold     
    ClintonH83 Raise  400.00 550.00 1645.00
    roper10 Call  350.00 900.00 6020.00
    zhuzh Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 2
    • 3
         
    roper10 Bet  100.00 1000.00 5920.00
    ClintonH83 Raise  650.00 1650.00 995.00
    roper10 Call  550.00 2200.00 5370.00
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    roper10 Check     
    ClintonH83 All-in  995.00 3195.00 0.00
    roper10 Call  995.00 4190.00 4375.00
    roper10 Show
    • 2
    • 8
       
    ClintonH83 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    River
       
    • 7
         
    roper10 Win Three 2s 4190.00  8565.00
    im turning into a moaning T..t but come on....really?
  • edited March 2012
    492189192            I think we can see why torny prize pots are de-creasing and player level numbers leaving this is getting silly, 14 times in 2 days ak, kk, qq, jj, lost to runner runner or flush chasers ect. theirs variance and then theirs variance, I know thats the way it comes at times but then this, after making it from sun to wed in the survivor 5 hands in my pre raise gets called, my 3 bet reraise gets called on the flop and then the all in. im hoping it shows the hand when i post this, if the guy/woman had suited from start i could understand a little more but really am i missing somthing in my play here or is this just bingo from now on??
  • edited March 2012

    Hand History #492189192 (19:36 14/03/2012)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    R_IVERS_10Small blind 10.0010.002200.00
    best7mateBig blind 20.0030.001950.00
     Your hole cards
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="club">A
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">A
       
    cidermaniaFold    
    steevo0816Call 20.0050.001890.00
    kev8Raise 100.00150.001870.00
    https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 0px" class="dealer">utopian9Fold    
    R_IVERS_10Call 90.00240.002110.00
    best7mateFold    
    steevo0816Call 80.00320.001810.00
    Flop
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="club">5
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">9
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">A
       
    R_IVERS_10Bet 320.00640.001790.00
    steevo0816Fold    
    kev8Raise 1040.001680.00830.00
    R_IVERS_10Call 720.002400.001070.00
    Turn
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">10
       
    R_IVERS_10Check    
    kev8All-in 830.003230.000.00
    R_IVERS_10Call 830.004060.00240.00
    R_IVERS_10Show
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">8
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="diamond">8
       
    kev8Show
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="club">A
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="heart">A
       
    River
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; display: block; border-image: initial; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 1px; border-color: #9bc3e5; border-style: solid" class="spade">4
       
    R_IVERS_10WinFlush to the Ace4060.00 4300.00
  • edited March 2012
    wrong section surely, clinic gone downhill :s
  • edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Im giving up!:
    wrong section surely, clinic gone downhill :s
    Posted by rancid
    i was hoping for some advice from people but i take it your to busy worrying about what forum my post is in haha
  • edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Im giving up!:
    492189192            I think we can see why torny prize pots are de-creasing and player level numbers leaving this is getting silly, 14 times in 2 days ak, kk, qq, jj, lost to runner runner or flush chasers ect. theirs variance and then theirs variance, I know thats the way it comes at times but then this, after making it from sun to wed in the survivor 5 hands in my pre raise gets called, my 3 bet reraise gets called on the flop and then the all in. im hoping it shows the hand when i post this, if the guy/woman had suited from start i could understand a little more but really am i missing somthing in my play here or is this just bingo from now on??
    Posted by kev8
    im exactly the same as you mate, hard work init haha what size money you playing? im think im playing with beginners so gonna up my stakes because id sooner get owned by better players than lose to bingo players hahaha
  • edited March 2012
    In Response to Re: Im giving up!:
    In Response to Re: Im giving up! : i was hoping for some advice from people but i take it your to busy worrying about what forum my post is in haha
    Posted by ClintonH83
    I'll give you some advice

    Stop moaning about bad players and realise you want to play versus bad players

    If you understand this then that's half the battle won

    "yeah man he called me with btm pair omg wtf he hit two pair on the river!"

    If I told you that every hand you play you will get it in good, then surely this is good
    Even though a small percentage of the time you WILL lose



  • edited March 2012
    Why would anyone complain about players getting it in bad then sucking out.  Bad players means profit and if they beat you now and again and you cant handle it then I dont think poker is the game for you.  Look through all your hand history and you will see how many times you win against the players who get it in bad.
  • edited March 2012
    You mentioned in your OP that you're 'losing money hand over fist'. This is clearly not enjoyable, variance or not. Take a look at what games you're playing, what stakes you play, and what bankroll you have (or amount you deposit willing to lose if thats how you roll).

    For instance, if you have £80 and play 5p/10p, getting 2 bad beats that mean you lose 2 BIs (£20) is gonna hurt quite a bit, whereas if you we're playing 2p/4p, then beats would be £8 and you'd have more than enough to ride out the variance (assuming it's just variance and you do actually know what you're doing).

    Also, I noticed the hands you've posted are chips, not cash, so I dunno if you're playing SnGs or MTTs but if it is tourneys then you need to realise that variance in MTTs can be a killer and you could easily go 20 in a row without cashing regardless of how good you are, so if you're playing £5 tourneys, you could easily be £100 down through no major fault of your own.
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