NL8... overplayed overpair? A few questions...

Pysterman

Obviously, when the Q comes on the river this is a no-brainer as I pretty much have the nuts now. (I'm only losing to JK or 8J, neither of which should have donk bet the flop and then called my re-raise).

However, before the river, am I overplaying my overpair? How often do I run into a set or 2 pairs here and lose my stack?

Also, with my opponent virtually all-in anyway I presume I'm betting (shoving) the river no matter what. But if I miss my Q on the river and my opponent is deeper, should I just check behind with 1 pair? Am I usually only being called by a hand that beats me?

monkace69x	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.16
paultheq	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£10.71
	Your hole cards	Q Q
bigd351	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£3.79
Pysterman	Raise		£0.32	£0.52	£9.29
Stuart650	Call		£0.32	£0.84	£4.51
renno95	Fold
millstone	Fold
monkace69x	Call		£0.28	£1.12	£6.88
paultheq	Call		£0.24	£1.36	£10.47
bigd351	Call		£0.24	£1.60	£3.55
Flop
		10 4 3
monkace69x	Bet		£0.80	£2.40	£6.08
paultheq	Fold
bigd351	Fold
Pysterman	Raise		£2.40	£4.80	£6.89
Stuart650	Fold
monkace69x	Call		£1.60	£6.40	£4.48
Turn
		9
monkace69x	Check
Pysterman	Bet		£3.20	£9.60	£3.69
monkace69x	Call		£3.20	£12.80	£1.28
River
		Q
monkace69x	Check
Pysterman	All-in		£3.69	£16.49	£0.00
monkace69x	All-in		£1.28	£17.77	£0.00
Pysterman	Unmatched bet		£2.41	£15.36	£2.41

unknown_username

Hitting your set does fill a couple of unlikely draws that beat you but i dont see anything wrong here.

BorinLoner

You played it perfectly as far as I can see, apart from leaving £1.28 behind on the turn. You can never leave that behind with a check on the river.

AMYBR

You isolate flop and bink a set.  You end up with the 3rd nuts beating all under sets and odd limped 2prs.  Only beat by 8j/KJ.  So beating more on river than you were at any other point.

Fact you;ve posted it means he has one of those 2 hands but it looks fine to me.

Dudeskin8

Shove turn. 

AMYBR

myeh dont like shoving turn in cash here.

Dudeskin8

Pot is £6.40 he has £4.48 behind, if he calls £3.20 he calls shove. 

AMYBR

So we arent talking of approach in general, but this one hand vs this one player - with the hindsight of knowing he calls the £3.20?

Pysterman

In Response to Re: NL8... overplayed overpair? A few questions...:

You isolate flop and bink a set.  You end up with the 3rd nuts beating all under sets and odd limped 2prs.  Only beat by 8j/KJ.  So beating more on river than you were at any other point. Fact you;ve posted it means he has one of those 2 hands but it looks fine to me.
Posted by AMYBR

In fact, he didn't. He was surprisingly weak.

When he called the turn I was starting to worry that I'd got most of my stack in with 1 pair. It turned out I was actually ahead all the way, which surprised me at the time. Hence, the thread question... was I correct to play the turn so strongly? In general, when I don't bink the set on the river, am I losing my stack a lot of the time here with 1 pair?

AMYBR

I think we can be comfortable betting streets for value here. 

Oppo donks out, having 90ish bbs.  Flop raise ensures stack goes in by river.  Happy to get it in on turn, but not to just ship.  Yes we know oppo calls £3.30 for like 80% of his stack, but we only know it in hindsight.

As said, looks fine to me.

What are we afraid of?  910, sets or....flush draws?  Just seems standard hand.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: NL8... overplayed overpair? A few questions...:

So we arent talking of approach in general, but this one hand vs this one player - with the hindsight of knowing he calls the £3.20?
Posted by AMYBR

No I bet pot/all in whatever because if oppo has flush draw he probz check folds river so I lose value, pretty amazed you don't undertstand this simple concept.

AMYBR

Wow lol.  Your assumption is astounding.

By shipping turn we are simply counting on our oppo to be bad enough to station us, after we have shown significant strength on every street.  Cant simply say he called the 3.20 so likely calls the ship, because we dont know this when we are vbing turn.

So our value is dependant on oppo calling off his stack light.  Never advocated checking back turn. 

Are you shoving turn as a vb or bluff?  How often is the shove vb getting payed here as played.  How many players call off their stack with a fd at turn?  How many just auto muck their hand after being raised on flop then shoved into on turn?

Are value is purely based on our oppo being ridic bad, we leave them no room to make a play or bluff after they have lead into 5players oop on flop.  But we do give them every reason to fold marginal hands and missed draws.

If our reads/notes are that oppo is bad enough to call off his stack super light then shoving is obv fine, but is it the best line vs a wider spectrum of players?  No, IMO

Cant just pound for value hoping a 1pr hand calls.

EDIT:  Myeh may have read stack size wrong   Yeah I take it back £4.48 into £6.4?  Ship is obv fine after size of flop raise.

BorinLoner

AmyBR, come on. He has less than a pot-bet back. The only alternative to putting him in on the turn is checking and hoping he does it himself. If he has a draw or a hand he's unsure of, this is just giving him a free card and either loses value on the river or allows him to go ahead. Either way, not setting him in on the turn is a mistake.

If he has a fluh-draw he should call it off with almost 3/1 pot-odds, so he wouldn't be ridiculously bad to do that anyway.

Our opponent just doesn't have enough back for your argument to make sense.

EDIT: Now I see your edit. lol

AMYBR

Yep, as said, totally read the stack size wrong.

EDIT:

Dudeskin8

Lordy lordy.......