Discussion - Weighted Contribution Poker Points

Sky_Poker

Hi all

We'll try to keep this simple! Something it would be good to discuss is 'Weighted Contribution' points for cash tables.

At the moment, points (and so cash for points bonuses) are earned based on being involved in a raked hand. A raked hand is defined as any hand in which you are dealt hole cards and a minimum of 1 pence in rake is taken.

All people earn equal points for that hand. An alternative is to have the points awarded based on how much you contribute to the pot.

So in a purely hypothetical and simple example, with nice round numbers to make it easier- lets say in a hand six people are dealt in:
 
- At the moment, for example, they'd get 10points each (60points in total)

- In the alternative way (forgetting the blinds to keep it simpler!) in a £40 pot
      - Players 1 & 2 contribute zero = get no points
      - Player 3 contributed £4 = gets 6 points
      - Player 4 contributes £8 = gets 12 points
      - Players 5 & 6 contribute £14 each and get 21 points each

Those who contribute more, get more (and vice versa)

What do people think about this?

mkgunner

good 4 the fish, but not good 4 the tikay's!!!

BorinLoner

I think it's a good way to encourage players to get more active, contribute more to pots and build bigger pots, more often. Therefore a great way for Sky Poker to earn more rake.

Seems as though Sky would be the main beneficiary of this change.

YOUNG_GUN

I dunno, for me it would be ok as im a station but it means the nits in the world dont get any points so it is a bit unfair. Original method probably fine 

TINTIN

i reckon it would benefit me more than it would hinder me but it wouldnt be by much at the level i play. i wouldnt mind the change but i can understand people who would be against it

FCHD

I think a better change would be to award points according to the total rake generated, not purely the number of raked hands (and still awarded equally for those players involved in each raked pot)

scotty77

Yes please.

davelufc

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Yes please.
Posted by scotty77

Had a feeling you might like this new format!!!!!

DOHHHHHHH

Antes would be better :P

This would be a very timely change for me

Think there's more chance of my 'Stephen Lee to win Snooker Worlds, Marcel Siem to win the masters & Snoopy Loopy to come out of retirement to win the Gold Cup' accie coming in though

Sky_Poker

Cheers for the comments all, keep 'em coming.

Thanks
Sky Poker

pomfrittes

  I would definitely prefer the contribution option. Much fairer system IMO.

GaryQQQ

Sounds fairer to impartial me (ie don't play cash).

Lambert180

I wouldn't personally be lovingit because I play mostly at 4nl - 10nl where it's best to play tighter than a ducks... beak. So there's every chance you could play for quite a while and literally earn zero which doesn't seem right.

Having said that, I don't really play with the aim of making loads of C4P (it's a bonus), so it's gonna affect players who put way more volume in than me, so although it would have a negative affect on me, the impact will be much bigger for people like Scotty77 and so the decision is more likely to go in their favour.

Disclaimer: I didn't mean that as a jibe at Scotty77 or any of the other big players, or that I'm jumping on the bandwagon of 'Sky only looks after the highstakes players'. I didn't mean it like that at all, I was just stating the obvious, both in terms of making sure the biggest (positive) affect is felt by the change and as a business decision.

zing

Much fairer, definitely support this.

huuuuume

i may be wrong here but...

isn't this the same, or quite similar, to how the pokerleague points are awarded?  i know i tend to get more on the poker league than the cash4points so on that basis (assuming what i've said is right) i give the suggestion a thumbs up

Poker_Fail

I'm a massive nit so I'd probably lose out

LOL_RAISE

DO WANT

EvilPingu

If it's not broken...

TINTIN

i think for this to worke then poker points must be earned at equal value wether you play nl4, nl1000, stt or mtt

i think this may also have knock on effect of current c4p promotion.

as always there will be winners n losers

TRIP5

Happy with the change... Oddly, I only recently realised it didnt work like this in the first place! 

Points should defo be awarded on contribution to the pot imo.. then again I'm a spew bucket, not a nit!!

xx

cgoldie

It's a much fairer system. The risk takers and ultimately the bigger rake payers get more points.

simuk

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Happy with the change... Oddly, I only recently realised it didnt work like this in the first place!  Points should defo be awarded on contribution to the pot imo.. then again I'm a spew bucket, not a nit!! xx
Posted by TRIP5

Not having weighted contribution as a form of rakeback method is slightly archaic imo. About time that this change has been suggested and hopefully it will go ahead.

It has been a huge frustration that the nittier players have basically been getting the looser players rakeback bonuses for years now. However way you look at it, that is exactly what has been happening.

simuk

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If it's not broken...
Posted by EvilPingu

It is broken, has been for a long time. 

rancid

I actually thought you had to be in the hand from the flop to get rake but it's not like that - shame because it is unfair that rake is equal for all players that get dealt hole cards and some may even not contribute to pot and still get rake back WHAT!

unfair ATM

yoyo

they had a good dicussion about this on the 2+2 pokercast recently.

one of the big sites felt that the NL games were getting very stale as they're mainly populated by rakeback grinders who play a very low variance style.

the hope was that weighted contribution would liven up & improve the games.

seems fair to me that those who play more hands get more C4P,

i approve.

freechips1

Will it be "X points" for "£X ammount paid in rake" So it wont make any differance what stakes your playing?  

pilgrim07

I think, on balance, it would be fairer. But even better for us 4NL grinders would be to reduce the 500 point threshold to say, 300 points. This I feel would be a good incentive to those of us that play at micro-stakes. 

djblacke04

I think its much fairer,and would work almost like rake back..

GREGHOGG

I think the amount of rake you pay should be in direct proportion to the amount of C4p bonus you get

Got to be the only fair way of doing this imo

FlashFlush

As a multi tabling nit I say deffo keep it as it is :-). The more aggro players get benefits on the league tables and more chips in the TSP play-offs. Something that may could be considered (I think Scotty touched on this in a different thread) is a slightly inproved rakeback % for the players that started the table. There are too many people sitting on the waiting list and not starting new tables.

simonnatur

agree value of being willing to start new tables and play short handed till they fill up, should be recognised in c4p