can we talk about the river plz

pod1

caught between getting max value and worried about fh. thoughts from turn onwards plz

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
stien	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£52.13
sikas	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£83.51
	Your hole cards	Q J
pod1	Call		£0.50	£1.25	£45.97
MATTY1	Fold
ClungeFlik	Fold
dntfukmof	Fold
stien	Call		£0.25	£1.50	£51.88
sikas	Check
Flop
		8 8 2
stien	Check
sikas	Check
pod1	Check
Turn
		K
stien	Check
sikas	Check
pod1	Bet		£1.50	£3.00	£44.47
stien	Fold
sikas	Call		£1.50	£4.50	£82.01
River
		A
sikas	Check
pod1	Bet		£4.50	£9.00	£39.97
sikas	Raise		£11.25	£20.25	£70.76
pod1	Raise		£20.25	£40.50	£19.72
sikas	Call		£13.50	£54.00	£57.26

WHOAMI196

Uch limped pot WHY LIMP??,

sikas could have anything if hes bad or perceives you as bad(its likely!! since you have tendencies of a fish ) he may call your river 3-bet with 8x (which is a mistake), or lower flush(marginal)....you'r 3-bet looks so strong,.. i would shove river rather than re-popping it small, shoving looks more like a desperate plea for the pot imo and might get called by the lower end of his range, but that's prob a bit spewy esp v a good reg......

On the river i would just call his c/r tbh........if he is a bad player then 3 betting small is fine you might even get called by a K lol

barnsie

firstly sikas is a very good player so this makes this a bit more tricky friom the turn imo

prob just call the re raise and hope

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: can we talk about the river plz:

firstly sikas is a very good player so this makes this a bit more tricky friom the turn imo prob just call the re raise and hope
Posted by barnsie

this

pod1

yeah, i played sikas enough times to know he is more than tricky. being bb and not been raised by me or anyone else its any 2 here. think there is only 7 hands im losing to though. 

NColley

When you 3 bet the river, you probably (/should) only get called by a house. imo your pretty much bluffing with your flush there.

Dudeskin8

Raise or fold pre, not sure why you'd limp QJs utg but maybe you have good reason.

Can bet a little less on turn but not massive probkem.

River in limped pot defo just flat raise.

rancid

flat the river raise

if your happy getting it in, then raise

probably prefer a flat

the way the hand is played I don't mind you raising for value but the only problem is once you do this, you can't fold to a shove
If your raising for value on river again, I think I would prefer a shove and get called by 8x, fd's - the way the board runs out and played pre - makes this blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Sikas in the bb could have anything so... but maybe you should have left out sikas last action because his range is weighted :S and may give you not the replies your after

raise pre and you may have some idea where you are by river ) or this fred may never have come to light with sikas folding 84o pre )

pod1

very close rancid, 82!!!

rancid

In Response to Re: can we talk about the river plz:

very close rancid, 82!!!
Posted by pod1

lol - ok surprised sika didn't just shove river on last action to him

sikas

sorry pod1, 

guess raise/fold pre, wouldnt ever limp

also just flat my original river raise, i could have a trip8's or lower flush, but once you re raise ur turning ur hand into a bluff (unless u think im calling a river 3bet with trips 8's/baby flush) - which im not btw, only ever calling a with a FH

rancid

In Response to Re: can we talk about the river plz:

sorry pod1,  guess raise/fold pre, wouldnt ever limp also just flat my original river raise, i could have a trip8's or lower flush, but once you re raise ur turning ur hand into a bluff (unless u think im calling a river 3bet with trips 8's/baby flush) - which im not btw, only ever calling a with a FH
Posted by sikas

Sikas why you flat on the end, why not shove - pod can't fold this unless he bluffing
surely your not worried about bigger houses :S

grantorino

raise or fold pre

flat river, although I think its really rare for villain to have you beat here when he checks turn. Only value hand I would expect him to show would be weak flushes, which may well fold to 3bet anyway

bolly580

raise or fold pre, just flat his re raise on river even worst flushes having hard time calling your river 4bet. seems as though it could of worked out and ur not up against a FH as he just flats

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