love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot et

IDONKCALLU

1718Small blind £0.10£0.10£21.25IDONKCALLUBig blind £0.20£0.30£39.80 Your hole cards87   DBCooperFold    bmh1946Call £0.20£0.50£16.63LEE001Fold    1718Call £0.10£0.60£21.15IDONKCALLUCheck    Flop  634   1718Check    IDONKCALLUCheck    bmh1946Check    Turn  5   1718Bet £0.20£0.80£20.95IDONKCALLURaise £1.00£1.80£38.80bmh1946Fold    1718Call £0.80£2.60£20.15River  K   1718Check    IDONKCALLUAll-in £38.80£41.40£0.001718Fold    IDONKCALLUMuck    IDONKCALLUWin £2.47 £2.47IDONKCALLUReturn £38.80£0.13£41.27

Arteta4

Can't quite see what stack opponent had left here.
If deep stack then probably just bet pot - potx1.5

Never used this tactic myself. I'd probably change my mind if I had used this and was paid off. lol

Nice hand

IDONKCALLU

i do this play alot on the nuts because i think any s7 high str8 is calling me so trying to get max value 

BigHawk89

Not a very good bet at all, id easily fold a 7 in this spot with 2.60 in the pot. Maybe a bad player would call you with a 7 im not sure. Would be best of betting pot here hopefully someone has a lil bit to call you with.

EvilPingu

Think effective stack is about £20 here? I don't know - I'd just pot it unless I knew my opponent was bad enough to call all in with just a 7.

DOHHHHHHH

You can overbet without jamming....

AMYBR

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

You can overbet without jamming....
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

This.

Think a lot of players (even bad) see the hand for what is.  River shove is beeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyond polarised.  We are basically saying we have the exact hand we have or a bluff.

If its a bluff,  pfff take it.  And all but the minority, yes even bad players will fold a 7/sets.

I get what it is your trying to achieve, against a super super bad player (whom we only put on a 7) it would be fine, but only in that circumstance.  So a very very narrow circumstance huh?  Terra bad player with a 7.  Better to OB pot and let terra bad player raise than just shove and give the vast majority of the spectrum every single excuse in the universe to fold.

IDONKCALLU

but a shove looks weak right ? and i have done this move a few times got paid of once so o 1 time in 4 is better then doing a pot bet surely i see sim uk do this move a while back quads i think againt nut full house and got max value i think its a great move 

WHOAMI196

lol wtf u doing, is he checking a 7 on the river? doubt it, bet ~2 for value, tbh villain is more likely to c/r with bluff than ever c/c with a random 7 ...

AMYBR

You descibe the difference in above post bud.

Range in your posted hand is too narrow IMO.

Sure, if we believe we get called enough - maybe 1 in 9 times its fine (given his stack size).  But I doubt we will on this board.  Even bad players will often fold a 7 as played.

In the right circumstance the value overshove is priceless.  I just dont believe this is it.

Really quoting 1 hand from 1 player as guiding line bud?  C'mon.

Like I said get what it was you were aiming for, in different circumstances its good. 

IDONKCALLU

im thinking if i bet 2 quid who am i and he shows a 7 im gutted im thinking he would call any bet with a 7 hense y i shoved 

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

but a shove looks weak right ? and i have done this move a few times got paid of once so o 1 time in 4 is better then doing a pot bet surely i see sim uk do this move a while back quads i think againt nut full house and got max value i think its a great move 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Wronggggggg  

AMYBR

Cmon Doh, guys asking about his line.

Seems like he is mixing a few messages, the messages themselves being fine, just not the application in the circumstance.

Seems like hes working hard on the curve.  Take the time to type something useful

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

im thinking if i bet 2 quid who am i and he shows a 7 im gutted im thinking he would call any bet with a 7 hense y i shoved 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

your thinking is flawed m8, you have to put him on a range of holdings that he could realistically have and bet accordingly (esp at this level), just assuming he may have a certain card is bad, limped pots are whateverz tbh, but line villain took, its rarely a 7, most likely 1 pair hand so you are 99% of the time losing value here.

1267

Pretty awful play in my opinion,  very very rarely even getting called by a 7 at this level.  The fact he's checked almost gurantees he doesn't have a 7 anyway .  Probs best to just bet 3/4 's pot, n hope he calls with a pair !

CrazyBen23

Dunno what all the fuss is about imo, unlikely he has got a 7, if ur gunna overbet might as well shove, ive seen loads of people call with a 7, id prob bet small cos i think hes not got a 7, and even if u bet small he might raise with a 7 anyway

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

Dunno what all the fuss is about imo, unlikely he has got a 7, if ur gunna overbet might as well shove, ive seen loads of people call with a 7, id prob bet small cos i think hes not got a 7, and even if u bet small he might raise with a 7 anyway
Posted by CrazyBen23

Oh the contradictions ...it burnzz

AMYBR

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please : This. Think a lot of players (even bad) see the hand for what is.  River shove is beeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyond polarised.  We are basically saying we have the exact hand we have or a bluff. If its a bluff,  pfff take it.  And all but the minority, yes even bad players will fold a 7/sets. I get what it is your trying to achieve, against a super super bad player (whom we only put on a 7) it would be fine, but only in that circumstance.  So a very very narrow circumstance huh?  Terra bad player with a 7.  Better to OB pot and let terra bad player raise than just shove and give the vast majority of the spectrum every single excuse in the universe to fold.
Posted by AMYBR

CrazyBen23

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please : Oh the contradictions ...it burnzz
Posted by WHOAMI196

My sincere apologies my ivey, anyone with half a cell knows what i meant 

rancid

£5ish may be ok, full jam on my toast is OTT

pod1

im with rancid here 5.20 would be ok i guess.

IDONKCALLU

if stu rutter likes it then i like it lol he said if u get called 2 in 10 times u still make good profit rather then betting half pot or summit its a good shove long term 

rancid

In Response to Re: love these spots am i right to shove here my thinking is any 7 would call so no point betting pot etc thoughts please:

if stu rutter likes it then i like it lol he said if u get called 2 in 10 times u still make good profit rather then betting half pot or summit its a good shove long term 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

That is very true but still think the way the hand played out, oppo never ever has a seven

imo when the situation occurs where you have enough info to believe oppo has a seven then a jam is good for the reasons stu rutter mentions -

Wacko90

Bet smaller on river, if your bet is small enough then he will probably re raise with a 7 and you can get it in. Much better than shoving imo, though iv seen far worse moves.

grantorino

yeah he wont have a 7 often enough imo. bet smaller, he can call some worse non straight hands and may sometimes raise 7x or bluffraise

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