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Cardiff Satellite - Is This Shove Ok?
Do you think this shove is ok? I'm going through my HH trying to analyse some of my hands from the tourney but I dunno what to think about this one, because I don't know if it's a bad shove or just variance.
I know I'm not gonna be in fantastic shape, but I think I'll pick up the blinds a decent percentage of the time and when I don't, I'm more often than not gonna be a marginal favourite in a race, and I think I may need to take that race soon with my stack.
Just so you know, there was 15 left, think I was 11th or 12th, 5 seats going and 6th gets £88.
What do people think my shoving range should be from this situations and position?
(Player X has been changed because he had a 'rude' name that Sky wouldnt let me post lol)
I know I'm not gonna be in fantastic shape, but I think I'll pick up the blinds a decent percentage of the time and when I don't, I'm more often than not gonna be a marginal favourite in a race, and I think I may need to take that race soon with my stack.
Just so you know, there was 15 left, think I was 11th or 12th, 5 seats going and 6th gets £88.
What do people think my shoving range should be from this situations and position?
(Player X has been changed because he had a 'rude' name that Sky wouldnt let me post lol)
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| kezza69 | Small blind | 75.00 | 75.00 | 4320.00 | |
| x | Big blind | 150.00 | 225.00 | 1370.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Lambert180 | All-in | 2030.00 | 2255.00 | 0.00 | |
| beefyboy | Fold | ||||
| SoLack | All-in | 3590.00 | 5845.00 | 0.00 | |
| kezza69 | Fold | ||||
| x | Fold | ||||
| SoLack | Unmatched bet | 1560.00 | 4285.00 | 1560.00 | |
| Lambert180 | Show |
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| SoLack | Show |
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| Flop | |||||
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| SoLack | Win | Full House, Queens and Jacks | 4285.00 | 5845.00 | |
Comments
In a satellite, I hate this. You've got more than 13BB and you don't need to win this tournament, just to survive. You can afford to wait four or more orbits before beginning to worry about being short. I think you need to adjust your game to the fact that you're only trying to squeak into the last five.
I understand the concept of being tighter and not needing to win etc, but I knew I was at least 1 hour away from the bubble which meant I either needed a double up, or would let myself get low and would probably be in a situation where I need to win multiple races in a row.
2's Yuk UTG
not that short either, your always racing at BEST!
BTW, I looked back over some of your posts in here from the SPT Brighton satellites, and I think you have a flaw in your game - I reckon you don't realise just how much more fold equity you have in satellites as you get closer to the bubble, and you start shoving too soon. Seems to be quite a few hands you've posted where you thought you needed to shove, where infact, you can hang on quite a while longer, maintain your stack by taking down the blinds uncontested, and find a better spot.
As you know, it doesn't matter whether you have 90% of the chips in play, or a chip and a chair, as long as you're still in at the end, you win the same seat that everyone else wins. You can blind down a lot further than in a regular tournament as you have more fold equity, especially near the bubble - For instance, a 6bb button shove would be a snap call with a fairly wide range in a tournament, in a satellite near the bubble, you'll still be able to get it through surprisingly often.
One thing I do think about that though... lots of people saying that same thing, "doesn't matter what stack you got as long as you still got chips left when the bubble goes" and in theory that's all very good, but when to give a little example... there's often 5 seats going in these sats, so you get to the FT, 5 people have 10BB and I have 2BB, then what? Everyone is gonna be sat that waiting for me to get knocked out, I'll be praying to get a half decent shoveable hand and will be up against the chances of 5 other people having a good enough hand to call with and then need to win a race. At best, I win and get to 4BB, then it's 4x 10BB, 1x 8BB and me on 4BB. No-one (assuming they aint idiots) is EVER gonna clash with each other while I'm still that low, so I've been trying to avoid getting into that spot earlier.
That's my thinking anyway, tell me if I'm going wrong somewhere but that's how I see it and that maybe where I'm going wrong.
But it being a sat 15 left 5 and 6cash getting paid I think I wait out a better spot, but just a personal thing.
Shove fine, fold fine.
The problem of getting it in here is that we have five players to get through and a hand that gives us very little back-up if we're called. This is why it's important to wait for a better spot. We can get it in from the button or SB later with only one or two players to get through or we can move with a hand that plays better against our opponents' calling ranges than 22. Given three, four or five orbits we can be pretty sure that we'll find a better hand than 22.
The idea of fold equity is fair but frankly we'll have as much fold equity against stacks of 9BB if we have just 7BB ourselves as if we have 13BB. They won't call off any lighter simply because they'll have a few chips back. They'll be looking for spots to get it in first, just as we should. If we shove here with 22 we're bluffing to steal the blinds, since we're hoping not to be called, but we're bluffing into five players rather than just the two you'd be bluffing into from the button.
The SPT Brighton sats were literally the first satellites I had ever entered in my life (not counting playing the survivor once) so I think I'm still learning. So I do appreciate the help.
Bring on the satellite advice, cos I'm gonna be in this again tonight.
1. is shoving with 22 ok
2. is shoving with atc ok
why would we shove here
if we shoving for folds then does 22 play better against calling range than 93o
question
do we have to shove for folds given situation
I would say no becasue we not that short, and given that 22 does no hold up well versus calling range then we can happly fold this UTG