Really messed this hand up

Wacko90

Made a massive mess of this one. No reads on opponets but felt he showed his cards pretty much face up to me. I was actually considering folding pre. made the call and after that should of gone bust on flop but really did feel asif i could pinpoint his hand.

I was almost pot committed pre and probs made a bad fold. he showed me his hand after i folded.

As stupid as it sounds i should of gone bust here right?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rikclutts	Small blind		£0.20	£0.20	£29.20
Forest1975	Big blind		£0.20	£0.40	£30.87
	Your hole cards	Q Q
nikkiandy	Fold
Chester85	Raise		£0.80	£1.20	£47.56
Page80	Fold
Wacko90	Raise		£2.60	£3.80	£22.30
rikclutts	Fold
Forest1975	Fold
Chester85	Raise		£9.00	£12.80	£38.56
Wacko90	Call		£7.20	£20.00	£15.10
Flop
		8 4 4
Chester85	Bet		£20.00	£40.00	£18.56
Wacko90	Fold
Chester85	Show	A A
Chester85	Win		£19.00		£37.56
Chester85	Return		£20.00	£1.00	£57.56

AMYBR

He makes you for the hand that you have.  GF in principle. 

Kind of feel like it should be shove/fold pre tho, especially if folding this flop.

CrazyBen23

Dont call pre and fold on this flop.

LOL_RAISE

you can prob fold pre

Wacko90

Is folding pre profitable in the long run? I was fairly sure he had monster so i guess i should of just laid it down, kinda hard when your holding QQ though!

FlashFlush

If your calling to then fold on a flop with an A or a K on it then that's fine, but if your going to fold on a 8 high flop why call his 3bet pre? Did you put him on 88 or a 4? If not his hand hasn't changed.

Another way of playing it is just flat call him down the streets, if he has been a bit loose then you can let him barrell his stack off with AK / JJ / TT etc.

Wacko90

In Response to Re: Really messed this hand up:

If your calling to then fold on a flop with an A or a K on it then that's fine, but if your going to fold on a 8 high flop why call his 3bet pre? Did you put him on 88 or a 4? If not his hand hasn't changed. Another way of playing it is just flat call him down the streets, if he has been a bit loose then you can let him barrell his stack off with AK / JJ / TT etc.
Posted by FlashFlush

Yeah i totally agree, in this situation i cannot call and fold on that flop. Should of laid it down pre or shoved it pre as i played. Or like you said, flat it and play it slower, probably still going bust, felt i had to 3 bet pre though, especially as i was on the button which widens my range a bit.

simonnatur

This reminds me of Scotty's comment on your other thread about how you can level yourself into stacking off - thinking "if he had THAT hand why would he make such a massive reraise"

For me, at these levels this is an easy fold without a lot of history with the player

grantorino

3b/f QQ readless would be a bit meh, but its certainly better than calling a 4bet and folding a blank flop. I'd prob just get it in pre though

rancid

if you worried about a A or K flop then frankly get it in pre

readless probs just get it in pre