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Is this just unlucky or did I play it badly?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceshaun84Small blind £0.02£0.02£4.00SR23Big blind £0.04£0.06£2.16 Your hole cardsK3 ALNCAZFold jakey123Call £0.04£0.10£1.60shunto69Call £0.04£0.14£6.79shaun84Call £0.02£0.16£3.98SR23Check Flop QJ4 shaun84Check SR23Check jakey123Check shunto69Check Turn 5 shaun84Check SR23Bet £0.08£0.24£2.08jakey123Fold shunto69Fold shaun84Raise £0.16£0.40£3.82SR23Raise £0.16£0.56£1.92shaun84Raise £0.56£1.12£3.26SR23Call £0.48£1.60£1.44River Q shaun84Bet £1.20£2.80£2.06SR23All-in £1.44£4.24£0.00shaun84Call £0.24£4.48£1.82shaun84ShowK3 SR23ShowJQ SR23WinFull House, Queens and Jacks£4.14 £4.14PrevClose windowNext
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I bet flop/turn mostly. Cant help river
Alot of people will say don't even bother putting the extra 2p in pre flop because more often than not you'll either completely miss the flop or hit it and be completely dominated. But that aside, you should bet the flop and on the turn be trying your hardest to get stacks in the middle. Unlucky on the river but yeah as I said, you should have lost alot more really, so at least you've learnt your lesson (hopefully) on the cheap.
EDIT: calling period any player type.
flop fine imo, you prob can bet also, but with limited fe oop I think checking is fine
bet turn, as played shove over his 3bet
river betr enough to put him all in
Ax on sb depends how I'm playing!
on flop as played I'm half/2 quarters pot betting.
same on turn and if reraised I am shoving as at nl4 it says 2 pair or set
river - unlucky
By saying folding pre we are basically saying we dont trust ourselves to play solid post flop poker, that we will lose money with marginal holdings. We should know what we want/dont want to see.
If we have faith in our ability to lose min gain max then auto folding in these spots is just plain bizarre to me.
You know me, I know the arguments for and against. But personally speaking, if I can take a multiway flop getting 7/1 with 1plyr to act behind am always taking it.
If we make a habit of paying off light then no. But just comes down to your confidence in losing min vbing max. Would we prefer it to be KhJh? obv. Would we lose any less vs Ah5h on connected board? Prob not.
I just dont understand why people would deny themselves solid equity vs oppo's they perceive as weak. Well......I understand the argument obv, but I dont agree with it
The High variance in micro stakes comes from being called down light at wrong price and improving (pot being over inflated when they bink) and AIPF spots, not by oppos outplaying you or taking strong lines where you are forced give up marginal edges. But our VB's will get paid at a high frequency. Position doesnt even come into it for me. All I hear is 7/1 vs players we can be confident we have an edge over.
We are going to know quickly if we are behind or if there is any point continuing in any given hand. So to not take it up @ 7/1 with money invested is beyond my compehension.
with K3 and other hands in sb there is no need to make up the blinds and get into multi way pots. there is no need to bleed money on the off chance you hit strong
fair enough
I just wouldn't with K3 in the sb normally
by the way, hope your running good
7/1 isnt really that important a figure here when there is so much money behind compared to currently in pot, although obv its nice to have good direct odds. What happens to the 100BB behind is whats really important
Position is really important with this kind of hand as it allows us to control potsize (whether we want to make it big or control it) much better, which is important when we hit big or want to see an extra card. This is a big factor in our ability to lose min/win max you talk about
We have no specific reads, although the fact they are prob bad 4NL players is obv in our favour . Some of them are shallow which is not in our favour
Also, and this is a very small consideration, if any coolering occurs we are likely to be on the wrong side of it with this kind of hand
You say somewhere in one of your posts its fine once we are clear in our objectives. What exactly are your objectives
You know as well as I do that in each comment you mention above, the reasoning can swing both ways.
I know both arguments as said. I just personally believe we are denying ourselves opportunities by folding in these spots if we are solid players.
Are we good post? yes/no? Do we feel we have an edge over oppo? Yes/No. Are we getting a reasonable price on our money (with money ivested?? Yes/No. Do we want our game to be this uber nitty? Yes/no. Do we sometimes have to get a little action to set up action later? Yes/No?
Seems like there are more questions and more yes's.
I do think being oop multiway though negates so much of the skill advantage you should have and also your abilty to manipulate pot size. I know if I am sitting with a fish on my left its so much harder to take his money than when he on my right (Part of that may be leaks of mine though). Doyle said in super system that if a novice played a pro hu with btn every hand novice would prob win. Dont know if I would go that far, but its much harder max value/min losses oop. It will prob be ok to call this kind of spot, but I dont think its going to be massively profitable either.
But briefly as said from beginning: comes down to personal ability/confidence, knowing what we want to see and ability to extract/deny value.