how much skill how much luck

potters186

hi guys only been playing poker couple of weeks just wondering how much skill and luck is part of poker as over the the last week ive gone all in hands like ak suited ak aq aj ace ten always seam to get beat with hands like 44 55 66 77 88 on and on if i get kk someone will have aa if i have aa their will be kk out the flop will send another k out

Talon

  There is a large amount of luck involved in poker and that is why the game is played. But there is also quite a large amount of skill which is where a player can get their edge.

   Firstly unless it is late on in a tourny try to avoid going all in as this limits your chances of getting people off a drawing hand and also will maximise any losses you take. The skill element comes from playing down the streets and making your opponent do what you want them to do, be that call or fold.
  Secondly poker is about correct decisions and not hand out comes.For example if you are all in AA vs KK, then the AA will win 82 times out of 100, so dont worry if you find one situation that loses because overall it is the right decision to make. If you keep making the right decisions you will be a winning player, although in the short term you may be losing due to the variance of the game

dav1964

ditto what talon says and you will not go far wrong

Kiwini4u

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ditto what talon says and you will not go far wrong
Posted by dav1964

+1

Also congratulations on your first post on the forum, may there be many more of them

ACESOVER8s

It's difficult when you first start off to realise that it's not all (or even mainly) about the cards that you hold and more about being able to limit down the range of cards that your opponent may have. This is the part of the game that once you get to grips with will bring you on leaps and bounds.

No quick fix to that one i'm affraid other than pay attention, keep notes and practice it in. every hand. When a player raises try and assign a range to him so yo could have noticed that he always raises from the button no matter what he holds then you can give him a wide range of almost any 2 etc. If the hand goes to showdown you can compare what he had to what you thought he had. Do this even when your not in the hand

Once you can assign a range to your player then you can take more pots on the flop, turn and river without ever getting to the point of having to have the best hand

My Advice would be to read some articles on position, starting hands, Pot odds & how to calculate them & assigning ranges to your opponents, luck will become less of a factor (although the game will always have massive swings of luck within it) with these skills at your disposal.

There are good threads on most of these topics in the forum if you go through it

Good Luck on the Virtual Felt & Welcome to the Forum Community

scrumdown

there   hands  i  like  to  see a  flop    with   worth  raise   with   depending    on  your  postion   at  the  table    if  u miss the  flop  fold 

nagrom

There is a portion of luck which is better referred to as variance. Poker is a long term game so if your looking for short term rewards you will most likely be disappointed. By the law of avereages if you get your money in as a 75% favourite in a hand you will win in that situation 75% of the time but only if you play hundreds of thousands of hands, maybe even more. Less than that and the variance could swing in your favour and you might win more than your fair share or you will lose more than you should. You have to be able to embrace bad beats though as it means you are playing well, if you don't get any you should be worried about the state of your game!! If you want to be one of the few that is profitable in this game you have to always be on your A game, especially if your receiving a doing from the poker Gods!

loonytoons

The cards dealt are all random and this part of the game is pure luck. If you were sat at a table with 5 of the best players in the world and dealt 1000 hands and everyone checked down to the river,you would all be pretty much even. The difference is the betting/folding/checking/raising/reraising/bluffing strategy used by players.This is where the good players will rise to the top, leaving us fish lol licking our wounds lol. However you definately need a lot of luck with 2 players of 'similar' ability

THESWISS

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hi guys only been playing poker couple of weeks just wondering how much skill and luck is part of poker as over the the last week ive gone all in hands like ak suited ak aq aj ace ten always seam to get beat with hands like 44 55 66 77 88 on and on if i get kk someone will have aa if i have aa their will be kk out the flop will send another k out
Posted by potters186

Overall poker is roughly 70% skill 30% luck.
The below link is vital to understand how often your AA will lose to 72.
Type in various hand combos and learn the %'s.

http://www.pokercasinoguide.com/poker-odds-calculator.asp

Ed

Urdadi

There is a large amount of luck. You may play to the book and raise 3 or 4 times bb / pot. Players who know the odds are likely to fold. others who don't will play that 72 and hit now and again causingyou a lot of pain.

I don't play on the high end cash tables, but from what you see on sky poker, the betters players tend to know when to play and when to fold, so I expect there is more skill at this level than further down the food chain.

namesb0nd

i think around about 70%-30% luck-skill.

BADBOY985

THINK THE % OF LUCK TO SKILL IS CHANGED AS YOUR SKILL LEVEL INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF LUCK YOU NEED DECREASES

diablo_pez

How long is a piece of string?

BADBOY985

23cm PLEASE PEZ

PS WHAT THE PRIZE FOR THE CLOSEST GUESS

diablo_pez

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23cm PLEASE PEZ PS WHAT THE PRIZE FOR THE CLOSEST GUESS
Posted by BADBOY985

Winner gets the string

booboo69

i have lots of string, but no luck and even less skill.

Just enjoy playing potters, if you dont enjoy it there's no point in doing it.

oynutter

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23cm PLEASE PEZ PS WHAT THE PRIZE FOR THE CLOSEST GUESS
Posted by BADBOY985

speaking of 23 cm--i think the skill is in being able to hold your own when you're not getting any luck

  pokers a lot like life--innit!

zxghostxz

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The cards dealt are all random and this part of the game is pure luck. If you were sat at a table with 5 of the best players in the world and dealt 1000 hands and everyone checked down to the river,you would all be pretty much even. The difference is the betting/folding/checking/raising/reraising/ bluffing strategy used by players.This is where the good players will rise to the top, leaving us fish lol licking our wounds lol. However you definately need a lot of luck with 2 players of 'similar' ability
Posted by loonytoons

yes i agree..... us fish no wat wer talkin about....lolololololol

Majj

What percentage is luck and what percentage is skill? It's hard to know what that question even means and how you could ever answer it. The important thing is that it doesn't really matter how much is luck and how much is skill - in the long run as long as there is SOME element of skill (which we all know there is) then the good luck and bad luck will even themselves out and the longer term you look the more it swings towards skill - If your skill level gives you a profit then happy days. As others have said the swings of good and bad luck are known as 'variance'

loonytoons

Ive spent all day calculating the pecentages of luck/skill, and using my secret formula and secret information gathered i have come to the conclusion that it is exactly 68.23% skill and 31,76 luck and .01% Area 51

IRISHROVER

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hi guys only been playing poker couple of weeks just wondering how much skill and luck is part of poker as over the the last week ive gone all in hands like ak suited ak aq aj ace ten always seam to get beat with hands like 44 55 66 77 88 on and on if i get kk someone will have aa if i have aa their will be kk out the flop will send another k out
Posted by potters186

 try see more flops reduce the risk,

70 o/o skill

30 o/o  luck 

rough guess,

play deepstacks,

 less luck involved.