bit of a pickle!

pod1

i decided to leave in what i did. 

pod1

bb is a reg at this level and he has been on the table for 3-4 orbits.i have raised from button every time. thinking he is just playing back at me, is flatting pre wrong?

if i dont put him on the ace here because of my pre flop thinking again can i justified the call.

very small turn bet after he checks as im thinking hes given up here and i still want to keep him in.

what do i do on river?

onthemoon	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£34.54
	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.80
	Your hole cards	A 5
Stew1	Fold
GFKIJKLL	Fold
samjazz	Fold
pod1	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£22.26
onthemoon	Fold
	Raise		£2.00	£2.90	£17.80
pod1	Call		£1.60	£4.50	£20.66
Flop
		A A 7
	Bet		£2.80	£7.30	£15.00
pod1	Call		£2.80	£10.10	£17.86
Turn
		6
	Check
pod1	Bet		£1.20	£11.30	£16.66
	Call		£1.20	£12.50	£13.80
River
		K
	Check
pod1	Check
	Show	8 8
pod1	Show	A 5
pod1	Win	Three Aces	£11.87		£28.53

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pod1

or is it complete spew with a hint of bottling at the end?

grantorino

fold or 4b/f pre

Luckily you always flop monsters, but whats your plan on Axx flops? when you miss? Also big rio on this type of board

Postflop  prefer checking back turn and betting river 2/3 -3/4 pot. As played not sure, maybe fire big and hope he calls with a king, its pretty tough for him to call any bet with worse than Kx

Dudeskin8

I'd probz fold pre as that's a chunky 11x 3bet.

Flop fine.

Turn bet is too small, tbh I might check back here to look weak and get some value on river but if you bet make it more.

River 100% bet, pretty sure checking back is illegal here lol

pod1

big rio ???. when it came to river i thought to myself "what if my original thinking is flawed" lol

BorinLoner

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BorinLoner

I pretty much agree with everyone else here. I think you should just fold your hand to the 3-bet.

By the river, any value hand is likely to bet so I'd pop in a half-pot value bet when he checks to you.

The RIO stuff just means that you're only going to make a big pot when it's bad for you. The only way the opponent puts in all his chips on a board you like (i.e. when you have trip aces) is when he has a better hand than you. The only real value of your A5s is to make a flush, but that won't happen too often.

pod1

tnx people. like i say it was messy and it did start pre, but hitting flop that hard it still wasnt a done deal. tnx again  phil

rancid

If you think oppo is playing back at you then, I think it's fine -
If there's really that much of a dynamic between you
Really don't like 4 bet folding these spots

When oppo checks turn - like hello - are you b/f turn here ? Or inducing -
Gotta think why oppo checks turn!
but turn bet more 100% dude and get value from two streets if you believe oppo would think your barrelling or just check turn but you have so much of a hand I just hate checking turn )

grantorino

In Response to Re: bit of a pickle!:

If you think oppo is playing back at you then, I think it's fine - If there's really that much of a dynamic between you Really don't like 4 bet folding these spots When oppo checks turn - like hello - are you b/f turn here ? Or inducing - Gotta think why oppo checks turn! but turn bet more 100% dude and get value from two streets if you believe oppo would think your barrelling or just check turn but you have so much of a hand I just hate checking turn )
Posted by rancid

There isnt much of a dynamic between them from what pod posted in op

Why dont you like 4b/f?

I think its pretty hard to get big bets called on turn and river and still be good

rancid

In Response to Re: bit of a pickle!:

In Response to Re: bit of a pickle! : There isnt much of a dynamic between them from what pod posted in op Why dont you like 4b/f? I think its pretty hard to get big bets called on turn and river and still be good
Posted by grantorino

Kinda like flatting IP if oppo is playing back and playing post flop, and trying to extract more
Surely by 4 b/f we either get worse to fold or we fold to better
Think you can get value from pairs on two streets, bet on turn seems pointless - if oppo ain't got a pair your not getting value anyway - except from worse draws

if river ends up with oppo holding an ace or better - then yeah whatever )

pod could just be levelling himself too much though don't you think if he thinks oppo is ever only playing back because he is raising btn lots

grantorino

wel if u can extract value with A5 u are pretty awesome postflop

with dynamic pod describes I would think lots better folds

getting 3 streets from QQ etc sounds pretty impressive, obv depends on dynamic

rancid

In Response to Re: bit of a pickle!:

wel if u can extract value with A5 u are pretty awesome postflop with dynamic pod describes I would think lots better folds getting 3 streets from QQ etc sounds pretty impressive, obv depends on dynamic
Posted by grantorino

It's only based on if oppo is playing back with nothing and/or low-mid prs that carry some equity

Kinda happy calling c bet and taking it away on turn or river or just being an ace high hero - lolz
Plus yeah people always station off with pairs on a paired flop so getting two streets of value is no problem )

But I see where your coming from with the 4 b/f, think 4 b/f would be the easiest and most standard line - takes away any post flop spew you may make if oppo is not playing back )