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They (Antes) will NOT apply to every Tourney, either. No need to worry on that score.
1) Aggression does not equate to skill or intelligence. To whoever wrote that they'd "want someone that thinks antes are bad for tournament structure" to be sat on their left, I would simply say that there's nothing I like more in a tournament than having some aggressive idiot sat on my right. You can't be more aggressive than me, since I will happily 5-bet light in the right circumstances, you can only be more reckless than me. The skill is not in being aggressive, it's in picking your spot. If you're thinking that antes will make you more profitable simply because you're aggressive, then you're wrong.
2)The idea that people who sit and wait for big hands in tournaments are not skilful players is foolish if those players are getting results. It's simply indisputable that if those players who are playing fewer hands than you are getting better results than you, they are better than you. Poker isn't about how well you play a JT or how well you bluff particular spots, it's all about financial reward. If sitting and waiting for premium hands is profitable but you're not doing it, then you're making a mistake. I would have little doubt that those players who are wisely waiting for hands, as tournaments play at the moment, will soon show you a move or two if the structure of those tournaments changed.
It simply makes me laugh that people can think that players who make a profit at poker can somehow be described as less skilful because they're not playing a super-loose style. Only a small proportion of poker players make money. All those that do are skilful and if they've convinced you that they're not, they're doing an even better job. If all it took to make profit from this game was to sit and wait for big hands, then everyone would do it and if these players are in fact not making a profit, what are you complaining about?
Once you get past the unknown you'll wonder how you ever played without them.
Will likely improve many ppls overall MTT strategy IMO.
* I made that up.
based on well known Sky Poker representitive's previous estimate.
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I think antes are great, & serve a particular purpose in Tourneys where the structure supports them.
However, there are very few Tourneys on Sky Poker where there would be a credible logic for having them - I would estimate that less than 1% (1 in 100) are suitable for Antes.
in last nights primo there was saveral good even stacks on other big stacks aganist small stacks
VERY UNFAIR
Personally I look forward to antes and expect it to improve my results if anything, but..... I find it a little insulting for people to suggest that in some way players are doing something wrong by adopting a style of play that makes them more profitable?
I'm sure that alot of the same players will have the ability to adapt to the introduction of antes and will change their game accordingly (if necessary) in order to remain profitable.
But lol at wanting antes cos some players only play QQ+, like its really hard adjust to that fiendishly cunning strategy (or copy it if its so great). Do you want them to change it and make our life harder?
Also lol at wanting antes cos people let themselves go below 5BB, again thats really bad for us
As borin alluded to the players with good results are
(a) prob not playing as tight as you think and have some moves
(b) prob capable of adjusting to whatever changes in structure happen
Let's take 2 mtts - the Open on Sky and a 6 seater equal buy-in mtt on PS and consider the relative starting stacks and antes on PS.
If both players play no hands in either tournament then it would be level 11 before the PS player was reduced by the 1000 chips difference in starting stacks. Standard blind levels are every 12 minutes on Sky and 15 minutes on PS. So it takes two and half hours to lose the additional 1000 chips to the antes.
Even turbo mtts on PS would be at level 13, or one hour and 5 minutes before the 1000 chip difference was levelled.
I'm all for antes but the standard structure must be right. It's a bit rediculous to be wanting antes when the Sky Open is already a faster action tournament than the majority of turbo's on PS.
Good Post by Elsa.
When Antes arrive, the structures for those Tourneys with Antes will be adjusted as appropriate.
Structures in Tourneys without antes will continue to be reviewed as necessary.
An intresting debate regarding antes but just think of how much bigger the intial pot is compared to playing without antes and how this affects dynamics and also raise sizes etc...
It would seem to me antes realy make no differance until you get to the bubble and the more aggressive stages of the tournament where you need to start moving your chips around and essentially be more aggressive.
Currently the bubble stage takes for ever to burst, and even then it still takes a while to whittle down to a FT.
So it basically means players can sit around and wait for bigger hands because they just have more time.
It is stated that therefore being more aggressive with an ante structure is better and will reward, rarther than just sitting waiting for QQ+.- because your not just waiting for a hand to double up, there becomes a nice pot in the middle to win to start with - which will affect your ranges and the dynamic on the table will change.
Like someone coming along and wacking some money in the middle in a cash game, kinda.
I agree with antes only being used for a very small majority of MTT, probably £100+ buy in.
The majority of us will not be affected anyway, so pffffffffffffffffft unless SKY change the structure of all MTT's.
happy hunting