bubbled the super roller with kk

THEROCK573

ive just bubbled the super roller with KK, blinds at 2000 - 4000, i have a stack of 68.000, guy under the gun raises 4x i shove all in and he turns over 88, spikes the 8, SHOVE OR FOLD BEARING IN MIND THERES A GUY WITH ONLY 1 1/2 BIG BLINDS LEFT!!! I JUST COULDNT FOLD BUBBLE OR NOT!!! I FEEL SICK AS A PARROTT THO!!!!

badcawl

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ive just bubbled the super roller with KK, blinds at 2000 - 4000, i have a stack of 68.000, guy under the gun raises 4x i shove all in and he turns over 88, spikes the 8, SHOVE OR FOLD BEARING IN MIND THERES A GUY WITH ONLY 1 1/2 BIG BLINDS LEFT!!! I JUST COULDNT FOLD BUBBLE OR NOT!!! I FEEL SICK AS A PARROTT THO!!!!
Posted by THEROCK573

I nearly bubbled with KK.....should have folded pre to the table bully....folded on flop tho...unlucky you were

kidwizzz78

Unlucky rock thats a sick one! , i guess if you flat the raise or even 3bet and see a flop without goin in you stil go broke if an ACE doesnt hit

And ino i couldnt fold KK pre but if i sattelited in and i could really do with the money then yea i wouldnt question a fold due to that short stack pretty much goin out for sure with next few hands

YOUNG_GUN

Thats poker!

BorinLoner

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Thats poker!
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

You're a cold-hearted man. lol

CHILLIE

i think u say it all when the short has 1and a half big blinds its an easy fold and u cash even if u have aa its a fold to the money imo

GaryQQQ

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i think u say it all when the short has 1and a half big blinds its an easy fold and u cash even if u have aa its a fold to the money imo
Posted by CHILLIE

There's no way I'm ever folding KK or AA on a tournament bubble regardless of the other stacks. If I'm in it I'm in it to win it. Folding monsters to guarantee a mincash is a -ev strategy in my opinion.

In fact I'd suggest the opposite. If there are a lot of satellite qualifiers in the field who tighten up to make the money it's a good idea to widen up your opening range and pick up lots of easy chips.

Rock can leave with his head held high, he was very unlucky this time, but he 100% made the correct play. As Young Gun says that's poker.

jonjo75

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i think u say it all when the short has 1and a half big blinds its an easy fold and u cash even if u have aa its a fold to the money imo
Posted by CHILLIE

Maybe in the World series of poker main event if you satellited in for £100 and you need the cash you can but in this tourney for £200 absolutely no way , never ,ever !!

AMYBR

We looking to min cash or get healthy?

VUL THEROCK.

Who won?  Watched about 40 mins @ 300/600 lvl where Nagrom and batkin were pretty much owning it.

What was with all the limping @ 6 handed table in £110BI?

Grim Limp call coolers, wanted to throw something at the screen

Guess result of decent portion of field sating in.

SoLack

Similar to me THEROCKS but I went 2 off the bubble in 43rd.  blinds 1500/3000 I have 90k so sitting comfotably and cd just fold for min cash if that was what I wanted... but get KK early pos do standard raise; get a 3bet from player with double my stack; I jam he calls TT hits T on turn sob sob.  Also wnet one off the bubble in TSP play off with QQ v AQ A on river.  bad night.

AMYBR

chew pillow?

VUL.

ACEGOONER

There is NO WAY im folding KK on the bubble, I would have done exactly the same. If all your looking for is a min cash in this sort of MTT you might as well play a £110 dym. 

KK holds against the lower pair as it does more than 80% of the time, its a cooler and why we always come back for more. It just could be our lucky night.

VUL to the two KK hands. 

Bobsicool3

If I wud of seen someone fold KK pre I wud turn the tele off and go and do some ironing!!!

THEROCK573

thanks for the input guys, i dont no why i even asked the question cos if it happended again 1000 times i wud still neva lay down kk!!!!

Mohican

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i think u say it all when the short has 1and a half big blinds its an easy fold and u cash even if u have aa its a fold to the money imo
Posted by CHILLIE

LOLz at this advice. The only time I'd even consider doing this is in a satellite,cos the shorty is likely to go out soon. Otherwise I'm getting them all in the middle,whatever stage the tourney's at. Winning this hand would've given him a good chance of making it further up the cash ladder where the serious money is and getting to the serious money is what playing tourneys is all about,not min cash every time.

Wacko90

I know how you feel rock came one of bubble in ukops main, it's a horrible place to be after playing for so long and getting nothing back. 

Gary in this situation what you are saying is ridiculous. A lot of players would of satellites in for 5 or 24 so a min cash is huge to those people. But in the long run yes it's negative. If the min cash meant a lot to you rock then in future just fold, if it doesn't then fine go with kk, vul though sir and solly too it's a sick place to be!

Edit- you bought in so super standard spot here, just saying if your playing well well above your br just fold kk, it's one pair at the end of the day. Ul though mate, nasty spot to be In!

THEROCK573

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I know how you feel rock came one of bubble in ukops main, it's a horrible place to be after playing for so long and getting nothing back.  Gary in this situation what you are saying is ridiculous. A lot of players would of satellites in for 5 or 24 so a min cash is huge to those people. But in the long run yes it's negative. If the min cash meant a lot to you rock then in future just fold, if it doesn't then fine go with kk, vul though sir and solly too it's a sick place to be!
Posted by Wacko90

i bought dierectly in so a min cash doesnt mean anything really, just nice to get a return afta uve sat for so long especially when theres a guy with only a blind left!!!

THEROCK573

In Response to Re: bubbled the super roller with kk:

Similar to me THEROCKS but I went 2 off the bubble in 43rd.  blinds 1500/3000 I have 90k so sitting comfotably and cd just fold for min cash if that was what I wanted... but get KK early pos do standard raise; get a 3bet from player with double my stack; I jam he calls TT hits T on turn sob sob.  Also wnet one off the bubble in TSP play off with QQ v AQ A on river.  bad night.
Posted by SoLack

very unlucky solack, ive shared quite a few tables with u in the 9.00 rollers and have seen u get ur chips in way ahead on the bubble and bust out!!! it hurts like hell!!!

YOUNG_GUN

LOL @ ppl who will fold KK

bearlyther

If your plan is too min cash just enter a £110 double your money instead.  In a tournament im looking for every spot i can get to ladder up.

huuuuume

if the min cash (~£217) is a big boost to your roll just fold the KK and switch up the gears once you've cashed. sometimes you've got to swallow your pride and admit that its more important not to go out than it is to play the hand well.

in this situation you had a ~20% chance of losing £217 if your KK gets cracked

edit - as you bought in direct its super standard...ul

EvilPingu

@ People saying fold KK - The only way I think it would be +EV to fold is if you were so short that trebling up means you'd still be all in on the big blind next time around regardless, and someone else would be all in on the big blind before you.

Other than that, I'm getting my money in with KK every time, bubble or no bubble.

kidwizzz78

I dont understand young_gun about ppl folding KK is such a bad thing yea we got the 2nd best hand pre of course , but he bought in yea fair enough the min cash is the same as playing a £110 basically if your gunna fold KK pre!

But you dont no where some ppl lie finacially could have easily have got in for £2.40 from the cheapest sattelite and noin that the shorty has 1BB!! folding KK i have nothing against it at all yea the money aint gunna change there life but if itl do them alot of good buy having it then its okay and min cashing in tournaments such as the £25k roller is defo +Evo if your getting in at the cheapest!

GaryQQQ

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I dont understand young_gun about ppl folding KK is such a bad thing yea we got the 2nd best hand pre of course , but he bought in yea fair enough the min cash is the same as playing a £110 basically if your gunna fold KK pre! But you dont no where some ppl lie finacially could have easily have got in for £2.40 from the cheapest sattelite and noin that the shorty has 1BB!! folding KK i have nothing against it at all yea the money aint gunna change there life but if itl do them alot of good buy having it then its okay and min cashing in tournaments such as the £25k roller is defo +Evo if your getting in at the cheapest!
Posted by kidwizzz78

So you'd rather pay it safe and guarantee yourself £217 than give yourself a chance of winning the £8,350 first prize?

If that's your strategy I'd say you'd be much better off in a £110 DYM. It's much easier to get that min cash and it will get you £220, an extra £3 compared to the Roller, it'll only take a fraction of the time too.

shuv

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In Response to Re: bubbled the super roller with kk : So you'd rather pay it safe and guarantee yourself £217 than give yourself a chance of winning the £8,350 first prize? If that's your strategy I'd say you'd be much better off in a £110 DYM. It's much easier to get that min cash and it will get you £220, an extra £3 compared to the Roller, it'll only take a fraction of the time too.
Posted by GaryQQQ

You cant qualify for a £110 DYM for cheap tho, I know the OP didnt but kidwizz was saying that if you had satelited in cheap it wouldnt be the worse move.  Ok youve missed a good chance of doubling up, but you can still go for the win a couple of hands later when the shorty goes out.

Saying that theres no chance id be able to fold, I can just understand why someone would if they had satelited in so cheaply

Batkin88

If you sat in for £2.80 and never cashed in a big tournament before i will allow you the argument for folding KK here, however if you had doubled up in that spot you would be well in for a big cash. If just once out of 5 bubbles your kings and you go onto the final table its +ev.
Summing this up please dont fold kings here vul

edit: I brought directly in and  cashed just above min and i was so annoyed with myself for not final tabling atleast as i ran so well throughout so i think you would still be annoyed even with a min cash.

kidwizzz78

Gary you dont get the point im trying to put out if someone doesnt have the money then there not gunna be playing £110 dyms right? so why you stating that might aswell play them when im putting out that he could have got in for £2.40 and not have a good finacial stabability , and yea there was a guy with 1BB! hed be out very shortly  so folding KK till hes out isnt such a bad move if the min cash is gunna do good for you , and having a chance at the 1st price is a long way thinking sein as the bubble hasnt gone yet which was 40th ithink:S or 30th not quite sure but anyway ,

And yea shuv you got it right there no harm folding few hands if you got a good average stack until the bubble goes then play yea it might put you in a good position if you double up with KK but youd stil have a long way to go and from 11th to 40th theres what £40 difference as such so folding KK i wouldnt but im not in need of £200 ish but others that may be a big deal

beaneh

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thanks for the input guys, i dont no why i even asked the question cos if it happended again 1000 times i wud still neva lay down kk!!!!
Posted by THEROCK573

feel good that you are more of a man than most people.

well played, unlucky.

kidwizzz78

Is that ment to be a pisstake or something^^^

pod1

take it as a back handed compliment :-)

kidwizzz78

Thought he was bein a smart as s:) , doesnt mean he has the money to be able to take the chance that others can in the same situation even if it means putting them in a great spot