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Terrible Play or Unlucky?
This is a hand from a Cardiff satellite. 19 players started so there's 3 seats and £88 for 4th. We're down to 15 and I think I was about 8th.
Villian has been raising pretty much every button, and I figured there's no way he could call for 90% of his stack unless he has QQ+ especially when he is in no need/rush to take a race. BB is also pretty short and is not gonna wanna call off light when he could find a spot to get it in first.
Is this horrendous play and an unnecessary risk or just very unlucky?
Villian has been raising pretty much every button, and I figured there's no way he could call for 90% of his stack unless he has QQ+ especially when he is in no need/rush to take a race. BB is also pretty short and is not gonna wanna call off light when he could find a spot to get it in first.
Is this horrendous play and an unnecessary risk or just very unlucky?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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| Lambert180 | Small blind | 50.00 | 50.00 | 2685.00 | |
| POKERD4DDY | Big blind | 100.00 | 150.00 | 810.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| CroupesDog | Fold | ||||
| MAXALLY | Fold | ||||
| minty11 | Raise | 300.00 | 450.00 | 2837.50 | |
| Lambert180 | All-in | 2685.00 | 3135.00 | 0.00 | |
| POKERD4DDY | Fold | ||||
| minty11 | All-in | 2837.50 | 5972.50 | 0.00 | |
| minty11 | Unmatched bet | 402.50 | 5570.00 | 402.50 | |
| Lambert180 | Show |
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| minty11 | Show |
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| minty11 | Win | Pair of Aces | 5570.00 | 5972.50 | |
Comments
you have options though 27BB deep. You could raise/call. I wouldnt mind making it 800 and folding to a shove v some villains. You can also call and play some poker
or
3 bet fold
no need to 3 bet jam if you think oppo is getting frisky on btn - oppo calling range will be beating you so... 3 bet fold 800 or something
or
just flat if oppo is fire fire bet like a monkey
Options pre
fold: give up poker and take up knitting imo
call: Personally I think this is the best given your reads, so long as you have a plan to c/r lots of flops you miss
shove: well its likely profitable, but you turn your hand into a bluff. AT not quite the same as 72 here, but it it is the same as A2
3b/c: Ok if you think he 4bets a wide enough range. Not sure he does when you have no reads posted on his 4betting range, whether you have been 3betting
3b/f. Again turns our hand into a bluff but is likely profitable. Risks us folding against some hands we should call against. Leaves us a playable stack if he shoves
do you wanna stick in 27bb and get called like always and you will be behind ?
By jamming your only hoping oppo folds better, what hands do you think call that you beat
Yeah jamming you got like FE a plenty but if you 3bet a frisky btn then btn should fold - or call with worse and then you can play some nice pokerz if you get a nice flop - obviously if btn floats you pre and you miss flop then c/f grrrrrrrr or if you hit then c/c yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - or w/e flop and you c/r frisky btn c bet boooooooooooom
[QUOTE Imo call: Personally I think this is the best given your reads, so long as you have a plan to c/r lots of flops you miss,
Posted by grantor no Interested in this GT, did you mean c/f?
Considering there will be 750 in the pot. What do you think minty’s actions would be on the flop? If he bets pot can we raise/shove? I agree with Jockbmw, given the tourney and stacks.
How do we play stronger hands here? AKAQAAKKQQ? Personally I prob shove, as any 3bet I make will be slightly bigger oop, again leaving us only a pot sized bullet. Only reason to make a 3bet to 850ish imo would be a) to make our hand look stronger than it really is vs buttons supposed range b) to snap off/induce a shove.
Because I ship all my stronger hands here for value - with pretty aggro image, feeling worse likely calls from stacks - + based on the slightly tricky stack size, I would only be shipping here or flatting. Never ever a spot to 3bet as button will likely peel IP anyhow & doubtful we are 3betting to snap tbh.
Dont hate a shove. Dont hate a flat. Slightly lean towards a shove though.
Will also likely shutdown buttons trigger finger in following orbits also, if we are aggro as standard.
I dont think villain will flat a small 3bet often, is he really going to peel ip with only a potsize bet behind (assuming he's not a fish)
With regard to percival and amybr comments, its pretty image dependent and lambert hasnt posted any history between them, so Im assuming he hasnt being 3betting his btn opens too often. I dont expect him to call off 24BB more with A8 or KQ too often without a pretty interesting dynamic between them.
Im not really against any of the options except folding to the open.
Grr really beginning to get annoyed @ typing a post then spam coming up and locking it out....
We arent exactly shoving looking to get a call here, although I do feel there is the potential to be called by worse,
Think we can force out some even money flips with the solid ship. I dont like our alternative tbh. Flatting what we perceive as best hand oop to c/f flop majority of time vs almost assured cbet or making an ugly 3bet that is simply for the basis of information if we know we are snap folding to a shove - or leaves us in very bad territory on flop stack/pot wise when pf 3bet gets stationed IP
We can pick up 500 w/out running a board increasing our stack by 20%, while discouraging button moves in future orbits.
Unless button is tooight I pretty much always ship here. When called I think we get the last bet in vs coinflips, wrse and even better hands we have equity vs. We find a way to win pre/flip/ or behind with equity we can be much more confident on taking a seat.
Well I disagree with this, you can fold this spot very easily
Such a level spot, oppo will fold worse and call with better without dynamics
If you really want to play back at frisky btn then ignore your cards and 3 bet atc
Just because btn is opening btn a lot doesn't mean you should hang your hat on A10
reverse the level and show oppo a hand -
if oppo is raising btn lots then oppo is either folding to a raise or calling/jamming with better
but anyway in a sat at this stage with no antes and that stack =FOLD OR 3 B/F
You obviously take away the burden with more reads, so 3 b/f atc before this and what does oppo do - if you get my drift
If oppo been raising btn lots then just 3 bet atc and say "Oi Behave!"
Like I said I dont hate shoving
If I flat Im not c/f everytime I miss
Well the 3bet is really a bluff if we are 3b/f, I would think we get some hands we would like to fold to fold. Bluffing AT seems kinda bad to me here though, esp as the part of his range he folds that we beat flip with is so small. But we can still pick up 500 uncontested a lot.
Shoving is much the same although it may increase our fe and stops him reshoving worse or small pairs, Im not so sure shoving />3b/c though. Agree the fact we have some half decent equity against everything but AA is helpful if we want to shove or 3b/c
Yeah spr will be awkward if he flats, but unless hes a fish or slowplays KK+ he wont flat
Our hand is pretty stroing to 3b/f, but yeah if you want to turn it into atc and do this its ok. You will also be getting close to the required equity to call v most ranges though. If our only other option is to fold we are turning it into atc anyway
As it's a sat I would want more equity with that stack given that dynamic, btn may be aggro aggro waiting for a spot where blinds play back wider than btn calling range - don't see why we would wait till btn opens for the 20th time and just jam and level ourselves without being involved in previous action
These spots I feel require dynamics, this is like a snap jam I have had enough spot -
FOLD IS EZ
If oppo is tooight I prob take this line.
But as is I get it in for all the reasons stated.
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I have decent equity against virtually any hand (other than AA) and have a VERY high chance of taking it down pre-flop.
I would be very tempted to hit the fold button pre in a sattelite in this situation with these stacks against that villain, as i know he will rarely raise fold and he certainly wont call with worse. Also agree with GT, that our hand may as well be A2. If im playing well i fold, and i do have a good record in these sats playing risk adverse stuff.
But, if i am playing this hand, i ship it pre alot against what seems to be a serial button raiser (fwiw i dont think the villain is this, i think he just happened to have hands).
I hate the idea of 3 bet folding!
p.s lambert, i seem to remember a lot of similar SPT sat threads from you, you dont seem to have much luck do ya? Hope you bag your seat soon mate.
The whole reason raise sizes have got smaller is because of this, where you can open and 3 bet smaller and no need to commit or jam. Combined with the game becoming more aggressive, players realised even though you get involved a lot more you don't need to be putting a lot of chips in the middle.
jamming stack to win 450 is not required, when a 3 bet to 800 does the same job.
Against oppo calling range your equity doesn't get above 40%, unless there is like a lot of history between you.
Why would you bang it in and be happy at best to be 40%, because that's what your doing effectivly
With our FE what hands do we hope oppo folds in a btn v sb set up
As GT states before there are options here, depends on dynamics.
Actually choosing the best option would imo depend on the history between you
A shove is only getting called by A9/A8/KQ/22-99 if there has been a history between you both on the table
If oppo calls your jam with the range above then he must think you have nothing or very little, and to create the "I have nothing, I am just 3 betting you again or just jamming air" there has to be history
Picking up A10 with that stack with no history with oppo and just jamming it in the eye, is IMHO just not required
It would seem it's an option that's just easy and because your oop it would just seem the obvious anwser.
I mean you could even flat if you wanna play pokerz, we could c/c, c/f or c/r flop - obviously not the easiest route but sometimes we have to go with it
Honestly if the spot feels uncomforatble because of situation and your NOT 100% sure of what to do, then fold
Similar to 20bb stack and picking up 22 UTG, easy fold right )